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TestWiki editing restriction

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Archived discussion. 21:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi BlackWidowMovie0000Editor,

Though TestWiki prides itself on having few official rules, we do nonetheless have to have some policies together with common sense and established customs and conventions, and it's not clear from your recent edits and log actions that you've read some or all of them. I do appreciate that TestWiki's lack of rules and increased reliance on established customs and conventions and a healthy dose of common sense can be difficult for new users to comprehend or become accustomed to. And, to be clear, you've had several constructive and potentially useful contributions, notably the creation of the potentially useful TestWiki redirect to Main Page when linking to TestWiki's main page in an interwiki wikilink without having to use a pipe trick and your creation of Template:Administrator. Having said that, your testing on Community portal with a Consul-only template, as you did here, and your edit warring with a Consul by repeatedly re-adding redundant user groups without asking for permission to have the arguably unnecessary duplicative user groups and, equally crucially, explaining your valid reason(s) for wanting to have these extra user groups are the most problematic.

As such, as a Consul action, with the agreement of my fellow Consuls, I am imposing a TestWiki editing restriction prohibiting you from rerequesting rights for at least thirty (30) calendar days (inclusive of today). When you rerequest rights, only a Consul may grant rights, and you will be required to complete and pass a short five question quiz that will be based on any of our official policies, with possibly one question based on common sense. To pass the quiz, you must pass with a score of 80% or better. There is no limit to the number of times you may rewrite the quiz, though the questions will be neither difficult or particularly challenging.

To log this restriction, you will note a short one second log entry in your user rights log. Additionally, it will also be logged at Editing restrictions, and I may reduce your 1 day block, again with the consent of the imposing Consul.

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought I was allowed to get the rights back after the one-day block? Also, how do I log stuff in my user rights log? BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 22:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You were as part of the interim measures put in place. However, following discussions with Reception123 and RhinosF1, it was agreed that a longer period before requesting rights again, together with your completion of a Consul-prepared quiz, was the right approach. As to logging actions in one's user rights log, it's essentially like a dummy edit whereby one adds a mostly useless user group for a short period (i.e., 1 second), and then annotates their reason with that very short user group grant. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there a possibility that the 30 days gets cut down to maybe, 14? Also, I don't think I have the ability to add user rights to myself. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 22:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll consider it, but I do have a number of other things I need to get accomplished over the next several weeks, so will have very limited time, both in drafting your required Policies quiz and with your wiki creator mentorship. As a bureaucrat on TestWiki, you had the ability to grant all local user rights, except for consul (obviously), permanent bot accounts, and rightsbot. Additionally, of course, you are not able to grant local interwiki administrator as that is only granted by a steward when certain requirements are met. I'll do my very best to try and shorten it to 2-3 weeks, but, as it stands, it will stay at thirty (30) calendar days until and if I am able to shorten it. How does that sound? Dmehus (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, thanks! I'm also going to try and draft the rest of the User templates when the block expires, I was thinking the Category:User templates for the template and Category:TestWiki Users for the places where the template is placed. The current templates I will make are: User, Admin (already created), Bureaucrat, Consul, Autoconfirmed, Testgroup, and tor users. Any I should add or delete? Also, is there a way for me to make a global signature? BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 23:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, great. No objection to those templates. That'd be great. Hold off on adding categories or coding categories into the templates, though, as I'm not settled on the naming convention for the userspace categories get, nor am I settled on direct versus indirect form of entry when categorizing our pages topically. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding your supplementary question added during the edit conflict, unfortunately, it looks like one's signature can only be set in Special:Preferences, not Special:GlobalPreferences. So, you'll have to copy and paste your signature wikitext coding from one wiki onto every wiki's Special:Preferences page. Note that I do use  to link to my Meta profile page on all non-Meta wikis, and I further link to my local wiki user talk page as  . Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll hold off on adding categories for now, ok. And I will have to add the sigs on every wiki individually is fine, I guess. An issue is I can't edit my subpages, until my block expires tomorrow at 1:17pm PDT.  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,gold,black,silver,blue,darkred);color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">BlackWidowMovie0000Editor  ］［  Talk  |  Contributions  |  Guestbook  23:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I mean you could use mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding, though currently the global interwiki table prefix for  doesn't have the   flag enabled, so you'd have to locate your signature file as a subpage of your Miraheze Template Wiki userspace. As well, since your signature has parameters and switches, it's not clear this would even work as desired. Finally, even if you can overcome both of those hurdles, you'd still have to contend with some wikis not having enabled scary transclusion in ManageWiki, so on second thought, yeah, it's best just to have local signatures. Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding your added question in the edit conflict, unfortunately, you will have to wait until tomorrow as my Consul colleague that I not shorten your already short block length. I'm sure you can work on your wiki(s) until tomorrow. Dmehus (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I can totally edit my wiki pages until tomorrow. Also, I'm not gonna try and use the widget because I don't really have time for it right now, so yeah. User:BlackWidowMovie0000Editor 00:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Unblock

 * What about the competency concerns expressed earlier? --Cactus754 (talk) 21:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding your TestWiki unblock, this a little more problematic than I'd realized. For one thing, another Consul in has endorsed ' block as valid. So, it would be inappropriate for me to remove your block at this time. That's not to say this indefinite block is permanent, but you need to propose a solution that would address your tendency to act before fully understanding our policies, customs, and best practicies. Also, you have also mischaracterized what I said when you spoke to  by saying I said you could delete those templates. I have located our direct message conversation on Discord, to which you asked, "And, can I get rid of admin?" I responded, "Yes, please. I'll delete it for you." (emphasis added). So, not only did I not say that you could delete all of the templates; I specifically said I would do it for you, yet you exploited the DeleteUserPages extension, which has forced its disabling for everyone. Dmehus (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * A proposed remedy that would see your block conditionally lifted and replaced with a modified, and indefinite, editing restriction (sometimes called a "topic ban") has the support of, myself, and, broadly speaking, . We're just awaiting on the opinions of the remaining Consuls. Assuming it's not amended, the proposed editing restriction would consist of the following:
 * Prohibition on requesting administrator for thirty (30) calendar days from the date of imposition;
 * Requirement that you obtain consensus of the Consuls before requesting bureaucrat;
 * Prohibition on editing Request permissions, which may be imposed by a partial block if breached;
 * Prohibition on page, redirect, and template page moves; and,
 * Requirement to obtain the approval of at least one (1) other Consul before creating any pages, redirects, or templates on TestWiki, not counting subpages in your userspace.
 * Additionally, if, after a reasonable period of time, you wish to appeal the the editing restriction, you may first appeal it on your talk page to the Consuls and, if that is unsuccessful, you may appeal your restriction at Community portal Dmehus (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would support an unblock upon agreement of these terms and note that upon violation of them that any administrator may reimpose the block as-is and it would not be considered a test block. My main concern is that you may potentially not have been "exploiting" as it is by design, moving pages to delete them via the extension seems like a loophole any competent person would have realized should be avoided. NDKilla (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Really nice jab at my competency there, by the way, that really warms my heart. As for, #1, Sure, #2, agree, #3, how do I request admin without editing there, and can I approve requests for permissions on it if I'm a bureaucrat? Also, when does that expire? #4, How long? #5, sure. 17:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See my reply to these questions in the below section. Dmehus (talk) 00:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

TestWiki editing restriction
Hi BlackWidowMovie0000Editor,

Following discussions with all of the other Consuls, your existing temporary, thirty (30) calendar editing restriction on TestWiki has been rescinded and replaced with the following, indefinite editing restriction, which is has you subject to the following prohibitions, restrictions, and/or requirements (collectively, "the conditions"):
 * 1) Prohibition on requesting administrator for thirty (30) calendar days from the date of imposition;
 * 2) Requirement that you obtain consensus of the Consuls before requesting bureaucrat;
 * 3) Prohibition on editing Request permissions, which may be imposed by a partial block if breached;
 * 4) Prohibition on page, redirect, and template page moves;
 * 5) Prohibition on deleting any page, redirect, or template, which you, yourself, did not create; and,
 * 6) Requirement to obtain the approval of at least one (1) other Consul before creating any pages, redirects, or templates on TestWiki, not counting subpages in your userspace.

Additionally, if any of these conditions are breached, given the number of cautionary notes and warnings you've had related to your disruptive, albeit good-faith, editing, any administrator may reimpose either a sitewide or partial block for any length of time, as articulated above.

Finally, if, after a reasonable period of time, you wish to appeal the the editing restriction, you may first appeal it on your talk page to the Consuls and, if that is unsuccessful, you may appeal your restriction at Community portal.

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 23:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


 * As a footnote to the above, revised, indefinite TestWiki editing restriction, any Consul approvals for any of the above restrictions must be provided on-wiki. Similarly, any acceptance of conditions of their providing an approval must also be done on-wiki. Dmehus (talk) 23:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So, 1 month from the OG restriction? 17:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * # 1 lasts for 1 month, yes. #2-6 are indefinite, but can be appealed to the Consuls after a reasonable period of time (likely several months, to be perfectly honest). No fixed time limit on when you can ask the Consuls on #2, but I would suggest at least a month after #1 expires. Dmehus (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * So basically Nov. 26. 20:05, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * For requesting administrator, yes, that's correct. For requesting bureaucrat, I recommend waiting until at least 26 December 2020 before asking for Consul consensus. Nevertheless, we have another matter to discuss, and that is your breach of your editing restriction (criterion # 4) in this log action. While it was good-faith in that I don't personally see a point to that sub-stub page that repeats an established global policy. It would've been fine for you to suggest deletion or other action, but your moving the page to 's userspace was problematic. Care to explain? Dmehus (talk) 00:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. I moved the page to Cactus754 because he was the only editor for the page, having 3 revisions, all of them his. I left a message on his talk page as well, to notify him. See the message at User talk:Cactus754. 00:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * While I personally agree with this decision, your doing that was in breach of your editing restriction here on TestWiki, which was put in place as you have a habit of jumping in too quickly before fully understanding our policies and practices. I will discuss with Cactus754 their creation of that page separately. What concerns me is your ability, or inability, to abide by a current, in-force editing restriction on TestWiki. Dmehus (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll try and remember next time. Sorry. 00:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. Please do more than try&mdash;you should focus incredibly hard at not doing that. Too many contraventions of your editing restriction, especially in a short period of time, would likely result in a sitewide block being reinstated, at least temporarily. I really don't want to see that happen. If you it difficult to govern yourself, I would suggest either (a) focusing on your Marvel Cinematic Universe wiki (ideally) or (b) taping your editing restriction to your monitor. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Taped. LOL. I am gonna focus on my wiki, I'm just kinda busy. 00:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅! Dmehus (talk) 00:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)