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Inactivity
Hello all,

I am now processing the inactive users list. I'd like to adapt the policy slightly. The new policy can be found at Inactivity/Draft and the template for rights removal at Template:Inactivity/Draft.

Thanks
 * RhinosF1 (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * NOTE: The first removals under this policy, if approved, will be on or after 7th May for user inactive on the 1st May. RhinosF1 (talk) 08:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 1

 * Reduce the inactivity time down to 3 months from 6 months.

Support

 * 1)  We have a number of users who are unlikely to edit again who fall into this group. RhinosF1 (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)   Mazbel (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Aeonia Rose (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  --Huawei251 (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  if someone is inactive for 3 months it's safe to say they probably won't be back for a while. If someone does regular testing that is fine and they can request an exemption which may be granted by Consuls and we'll be lenient about that. Reception123 (talk) 18:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  No reason to keep useless rights. They can always request them back. Examknow (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 7)  --Sourav Halder (talk) 09:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 2

 * Remove users from any group rather than sysop and crat.

Support

 * 1) I've done this for highly inactive users but I think this should be done for all groups.  RhinosF1 (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Aeonia Rose (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  It's not hard to regain rights when returning. --Huawei251 (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  no need to keep useless rights, they can be added back if necessary. Reception123 (talk) 18:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  per above Examknow (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  --Sourav Halder (talk) 09:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Neutral
I find it redundant to apply this measure. The toolkits such as autoverifier, test group, rollback, do not demand a "great responsibility" as the administrator or bureaucrat would be, I think it would only overload the Special:UserRights.- Mazbel (talk) 16:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 3

 * Users must be notified at least 7 days before the rights are removed.

Support

 * 1) gives them a chance. RhinosF1 (talk) 11:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  --Huawei251 (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Mazbel (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Yeah, in case they still want to edit and/or were not aware of this policy.
 * 5)  I see no reason why not. It is only fair to notify them in advance.Examknow (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  --Sourav Halder (talk) 09:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 7) --そらたこ🐙🌈  01:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Inactive Rights Removal - 29 Apr 2020
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 7 May 2020 if they do not return to activity:
 * exempted
 * removed rights
 * exempted
 * exempted
 * exempted
 * exempted

Thanks,
 * RhinosF1 (talk)
 * For the Consul Team
 * 09:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ RhinosF1 (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Request
Towards the end of my administrator rights you took a month to verify me,So the administrative rights will end in a few days.Before the end, I request you to give me the rights of administrator and bureaucrat. Examknow also told me to make a new request after I made this request [] If I apply for the right Examknow Blocks(He was blocking me for that mistake(Disruptive Editing) me.I will make a request to verify my contribution.Then you can catch my mistakes. Later I show this car and release the block(I request you to block after a little discussion with the StewardsI was blocked for the same reason and later released void) I think applying for rights and not Disruptive Editing for rights Discussion.Even then I am requesting to verify
 * ❌ User is blocked indefinitely for disruption -Examknow (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Right
A while ago EkWikiBot Unblocked by Return my rights nowSourav Halder (talk) 19:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Your rights will not be returned for at least a week and continuing to demand things will get you blocked again. RhinosF1 (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Bonnedav Inactivity exemption
Hello, my activity may be spotty but I do intend to use my rights on occasion. Thus I wish to apply for exemption form the inactivity rule. Thank you. Bonnedav (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I’ll grant this later. RhinosF1 (talk) 06:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ RhinosF1 (talk) 14:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Bonnedav (talk) 02:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Inactivity Policy Exemption Request
Hi,

Is possible to be exempt of Inactivity Policy, please

Thanks --HeartsDo (talk) 08:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ for 9 months. RhinosF1 (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Inquiry, full-featured test wiki and automatic reset to zero.
Hello, what I comment on, I do not know if it is feasible at this time, I consult it in case there is a short-term possibility of doing it. ''I must clarify that what I express is framed in contributing to the community and I greatly appreciate the important and enormous work that all the volunteers do in this wiki. I apologize in advance, that if, due to my misinformation, I comment something wrong, related to a particular situation.'' I am very happy to know about this wiki for testing, since I have requested the creation of a new wiki and I am building it out of hand. There are options that I would like to implement in my wiki, this test wiki is ideal.

Current working format on the wiki
I was hoping to have a fully manageable wiki like the one I currently have on my newly created wiki, with the idea of ​​testing from the start, I understand that this is not possible because we are working on the same testing wiki (it would be interesting if this wiki is entirely to organize and document how we could carry out tests to later be able to implement in our wikis, something similar to Meta, a Meta test wiki).

Suggestion
If possible, it would be interesting to have one or more wikis as feasible, in addition to the resources available, perhaps to start one per language of the most widely used languages ​​or they may be requested. These wikis are automatically reset to zero, by giving a choice, every 24 hours or whichever time is most optimal for testing. These tests carried out by users of the community, which could be increased in greater quantity, would allow us to build in the test wiki (publictestwiki com), perhaps on a special page, How-to manuals (very good option to strengthen the community).

Documentation suggestion
It is good to put into practice some option, functionality, permission, etc., starting from scratch, I consider that it is not optimal, this because it has not been documented somewhere, we can effectively take advantage of the work already done by other people from the community by documenting some test carried out (I understand that not all of us document, this for various reasons, but those that we can do will allow other members of the community to advance much faster, compared to doing it from scratch). Thank you very much, kind regards,--Geryescalier (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Nuking pages
Hi. Where do you go to nuke pages? I couldn't find it on the Amin Links page. Thanks. Covid-19 (talk) 16:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Special:Nuke RhinosF1 (talk) 16:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Inactive Rights Removal - 21 May 2020
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 28 May 2020 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,
 * RhinosF1 (talk)
 * For the Consul Team
 * 21:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for admin and bureaucrat
Hello, since it has been a week since my admin and bureaucrat privileges were removed, I am wondering if I can get them back again. I will undo all my tests and not test on any pages in the non-testing category. Thank you. Covid-19 (talk) 10:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ It’s barely a week which for me shows a hat collecting like desire, you’ve made 4 tests since. I am not convinced you are trustworthy. For now, If you make a few more non-admin tests, I’ll be happy to allow sysop in 24 hours. RhinosF1 (talk) 11:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Sending mass messages
Sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but I made a test mass message list but I can't find where to send a message to that list. It wasn't on the list of Special Pages. How do I mass message people (it would only be myself in this case)? Thank you. Covid-19 (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s restricited to sysops. RhinosF1 (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. Since I have made more tests (and will continue to test), can I be promoted to admin please? Covid-19 (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Given your history and slightly inappropiate username, I am granting a 5 day admin trial. You will not be able to regain crat and must follow policy clearly without warning or it will be removed. RhinosF1 (talk) 17:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Now ✅, please let me know if you need it extending 24 hours before it expires for review. RhinosF1 (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you very much. I will be careful and obey all the rules. Covid-19 (talk) 17:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Special:UserGroupRights - Missing Administrators user group
I noticed that Special:UserGroupRights doesn't list the administrators user group. I wondered if that special page editing was limited to administrators or perhaps to interface administrators, but seeing this help page at MediaWiki, it seems like it's probably the latter or, perhaps, to system administrators. Nonetheless, I'm wondering if a consul or an interface administrator can edit that special page and list the "administrators" user group there? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See Special:ListGroupRights. -- Void  Whispers 01:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Doh! Thanks...still, I'm wondering if we should alphabetize, in ascending order, that table for organizational purposes. Thoughts? Dmehus (talk) 01:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We can't change the order of it. RhinosF1 (talk) 11:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, but on other wikis, like Meta Miraheze, it appears above or below the autopatrolled group. Is it something only system administrators can change? If so, then yeah, it's pretty minor and not worth bugging the system administrators and/or stewards (if they too have access). Dmehus (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sysadmins can't change it. There's a task for it. RhinosF1 (talk) 13:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotcha, on the Miraheze Phabricator, presumably. Thanks! Dmehus (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No, Wikimedia Phabricator. It's a MediaWiki Feature Request. RhinosF1 (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Dmehus (talk) 14:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

User Talk:RhinosF1 showing up on Special:BrokenRedirects
Hey ,

I'm trying to clear the Special:BrokenRedirects report, and there's only two items left on there, one of which is your bot's talk page that redirects to your talk page that itself is essentially a soft redirect to your Miraheze Meta talk page. The other is User Talk:RhinosF1 that is essentially a soft redirect to your Miraheze Meta user talk page. I'm wondering, though, wouldn't it be easier to update your Public Test Wiki preferences to link to talk in your signature and then creation protect (at either sysop or consul level), infinitely, User talk:RhinosF1 and User Talk:RhinosF1? This would get us down to only one broken redirect, and we'd eliminate extra clickthroughs of people hitting your soft redirect to your Meta user talk page, until the Phabricator ticket resolves that other known issue.

Note: I'm posting this here as I didn't want to post about Public Test Wiki on your Miraheze Meta talk page. Dmehus (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I could but you could have just pinged me on discord. RhinosF1 (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Doh, that's true. Do we have a separate Public Test Wiki Discord server? Didn't want to clutter up the Meta Discord server. I could've DMed you on Discord, though. Dmehus (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it's a general Miraheze server but DM is fine. RhinosF1 (talk) 14:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

A strange issue for me to login
On public test wiki I am able to login but unable to access other wikis on Miraheze, when I attempt to login on Meta, I've received an error message ''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.'' Could any consuls help me for the guide? SA 13 Bro (talk) 23:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I would try 1) Logging out globally on another wiki and then 2) Clear out your browser's cache and cookies. That usually works. -Examknow (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See Stewards' Noticeboard where Rob Kam is having the same issue; however, he has since withdrawn the question. Clearing one's cookies and full closing one's web browser should resolve the issue. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Really, you do not need to close out the browser. Clearing out the browser data should work fine. If that does not work, trying in incognito mode or the equivalent for your browser should do the trick. -Examknow (talk) 23:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you very much to . Clearing the cookies and browsing data is doesn't work on it, but using the incognito mode is work for Chrome. SA</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Please give feedback on template:Do not archive until
Please give feedback on template:Do not archive until.Adjusted to take into account that auto-archiving will take place two weeks later.See also Autoarchive.Thank you for your cooperation.--松 (talk) 15:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the Meta archive templates. These are the ones that use a bot to archive them when you tag a thread with that template, correct? In any case, I would only make one small change, by replacing the transclusions of the Template:Intricate redirect with Template:Intricate template, the actual template, so we can delete the extraneous and unneeded redirect. Other than that, seems fine to me. :) Dmehus (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, I think I'm getting confused by the two Meta templates; I would actually prefer us to drop the use of the Revibot automatic archiving as I do feel 14 days is too short and, since Revi has "de-facto retired" from the Miraheze wikis, it's unlikely it'll be setup on other wikis. My preference would be to adopt the Wikimedia Meta method of archiving whereby a different bot archives the thread when a human editor has tagged it with an applicable "okay to archive" template. Dmehus (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice.The replacement is complete.I think that the proposal to Revibot itself needs the proposal to meta RfC.--松 (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think replacing Revibot on Meta would definitely need either a (a) local RfC or (b) some sort of community discussion on the Meta community portal. What do you think? We could possibly replace, though, Revibot on TestWiki without too much discussion, as long as we talked it over with RhinosF1 and/or Void (the two most active consuls here). By the way, are you the same Pine from Wikimedia's Outreach Wiki? Dmehus (talk) 01:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

No, but unfortunately, the "松・Pine・Matsu" account could not be created because it has already been acquired.I'm thinking about when to reissue the suggestion requesting the introduction of this template in the Community noticeboard of meta.It might be better to collect opinions on testwiki.--松 (talk) 02:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Where can I find a page on the testwiki where I can check if the template I created this time works as expected? (i.e.Where is Revibot valid page?)--松 (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I've checked Rightsbot and I'm worried that if Revibot doesn't exist on this wiki, I can't test how the archive works on testwiki.--松 (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought you were trying to design an archiving system without Revibot? As far as I'm aware, I don't think Revibot is set up on Public Test Wiki; it's just set up on Meta. Maybe I'm a bit unclear on what the end goal of this template is. If it's just about telling Revibot not to archive threads before a certain period of time, why don't we just increase the days to archive value on Meta? Dmehus (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please　see Template:Bump(Template:Bump).--松 (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks. Saw it. What did you want me to look at? That just effectively works like a relisting template by adding a timestamp to prevent a thread from being archived, no? Dmehus (talk) 13:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I discussed and RfC rules.At that time, I came to the conclusion that I had to delay archiving the Community noticeboard during the draft period.The original template I'm creating now is supposed to be used for pages that will be archived in 2-3 days.Therefore, if we copy it to meta as it is, the archive becomes too slow.Since meta is an important wiki, you should be careful when introducing new templates.So, I'm making a beta version of the template on testWiki and requesting opinions.--松 (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Question
May I create a page "TestWiki:Sandbox/Filter test" to test the filter?--松 (talk) 14:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @ Yes, you may. Also, there is the page Filter test for mainspace-exclusive filters. Thanks! --TFFfan (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good way to test abuse filters, limiting them only to a certain test page as opposed to all or certain namespaces. If you would like TFFfan to help you with that abuse filter, I'm sure that would be fine as it is limited to only a testing page (a subpage of Sandbox). Dmehus (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Adjusted the filter for testing on both.--松 (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the update, Pine. Dmehus (talk) 04:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion
I just copied some templates from Wikipedia and imported them here for top icons and a padlock icon. This would be used if a page is protected. I want to know if I can go and add the icons to all protected pages not in the User namespace? Here are some links. Template:Pp Template:Top icon. In addition, the top icon can be used for other purposes, such as a custom one for an official policy page. I just wanted some feedback on those ideas, and I can add them and/or make more proposals as well. Thanks! --TFFfan (talk) 23:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just pinging you for your feedback. You can remove when you get it. :) --TFFfan (talk) 23:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In theory, I like the page protection top icons as I do think they're useful and clearly show whether a page is protected. However, my concern is that in practice, on wikis where there is not a bot of some kind like AnomieBOT on English Wikipedia that checks protected pages or titles at regular intervals and automatically adds, and removes, the protected top icons, we could very easily end up in a situation (especially on a testing wiki) where we have unprotected pages with protected top icons (or vice versa). So, at this point, let's maybe hold off for now until we devise an error-free/problem-free solution? Dmehus (talk) 04:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Inactive Rights Removal - 2020-07-15
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2020-07-22 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,
 * RhinosF1 (talk)
 * For the Consul Team
 * 12:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Community proposal to Add to Autoconfirmed implicit user group
As part of an omnibus community proposal put forward by our Consul colleague RhinosF1 several months ago related to the management of inactive administrators and bureaucrats, proposal # 2 specified that all user groups were to be removed from all inactive users who hadn't made either an edit or a log action in the preceding ninety (90) days. The reasons for removing administrator and bureaucrat due to inactivity are obvious and center around security, primarily. For the other user groups, largely, they're added for reasons of testing user group additions and removals, and, since anyone can become an administrator, they're generally unneeded and thus create extraneous clutter.

As part of recent quality assurance testing, I came across a confirmed bug (will be tracked in Phabricator shortly) in one of our deployed extensions such that when a previous administrator loses their user rights, their previously automatically patrolled revisions become unpatrolled, adding to the patrol backlog.

To reduce that backlog, I propose that we add  to the Autoconfirmed implicit user group. Indeed, RhinosF1 already effected the same change recently on Loginwiki, primarily because that system administrator-managed central coordination wiki has no user groups and no local administrators yet still creates a fair amount of edits due to users maintaining their global user pages. As there is no set end date for fixing this bug, I propose that this change be indefinite. When it's resolved, we can easily propose to remove it from the group at the community portal, should there be a need (or we could just keep it that way as there's no reason not to).

Support

 * 1)  As proposer. No reason not to. Dmehus (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)