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== Blocking Users ==
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::{{ping|TFFfan}} I appreciate, very much, that you were trying to help and you've got more experience with coding abuse filters than me. Unfortunately, it just wasn't coded correctly, and, as a result, produced highly undesirable results. This is why I strongly encouraged you to run your code by a [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] first, because it's helpful to have someone experienced with abuse filters peer review your code. As we can see, the abuse filter system isn't well designed when cleanup has to be performed (i.e., removing tags from false positives). So, the mantra with abuse filters really needs to be '''test, re-test, and test some more''' before going live. It is fine to partially block yourself to enforce your topic ban, though your block log annotation could've been clearer as it suggests the ''block'' was at {{ping|RhinosF1}}'s request. It was a self-requested block, to help ''you'' enforce your topic ban (which is totally fine). One thing that might be helpful for abuse filter testing would be to test the abuse filter on a private wiki. Do you have your own wiki? That way, you could work on it there, fine-tune it, and then have RhinosF1 or another Consul join you ''there'' to peer review it and fine-tune it with a second set of eyes. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|TFFfan}} I've also undone several of your [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] revision deletions. I see why you wanted to revision delete a couple of the entries, to hide your IP address from when you were testing. That is a good reason to revision delete, but revision deletions are still accessible to anyone below [[meta:Oversight|Oversight]], so I've requested {{ping|Void}} suppress two of the revisions so only [[meta:Oversight|Oversight]] will have access to them. I have also unhidden your TFFfan username from the other revision(s) that you deleted because, in most cases, it's generally ''not'' necessary to hide the username (the exceptions being when the editor edited while logged out or if another user had a grossly offensive username violation and was now globally locked or blocked). [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
=== [[User:Artix Kreiger]] block ===
TFFfan, what's going on here? I've removed this block ([[Special:Redirect/logid/8262|log #1]] and [[Special:Redirect/logid/8263|log #2]]) that was clearly in error. This wasn't a test block, so appears to be clearly in violation of your editing restriction here. I've referred the matter to {{ping|RhinosF1}}, who will make any further decisions here. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Dmehus}} This user was engaged in a wheel war back in April and was never blocked. I think they should have been blocked. However, I will not reblock at this time and see what RhinosF1 says. I will probably loose rights over this, but they should have been blocked. --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 23:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::That may well be, but it was back ''in April''. Nevertheless, we (being [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]]) generally do not block users for non-test blocks as we leave that for the [[TestWiki:Consuls|consul]] to decide, except in exceptional circumstances (i.e., to prevent a user who is imminently harming the wiki). I appreciate your restraint in not reblocking, as that would be wheel-warring, but nevertheless, it wasn't appropriate. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|Dmehus}} Okay, I see what I have done wrong here. I want to be helpful, and be like RhinosF1, but I seem to be causing more harm than good. So you can remove my rights if you feel it is necessary. --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 23:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|TFFfan}} No, I will not do that as you are (a) not posing imminent harm to the wiki and (b) have, in good-faith, acknowledged your error. It would be inappropriate for me to remove any rights here in this case, as it's not my place. Nevertheless, you ''do'' still have a consul-imposed editing restriction, which has been breached. RhinosF1 will ultimately decide what needs to happen, and I don't want to prejudge what that may, or may not, be. As for the supposed wheel-warring, I have no knowledge of that, as it predates me. It may well have been the case, and it went unnoticed. In such events, it's best to approach a consul. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::Seriously? What is wrong with you? the "alleged" wheel warring was over Rhino removing the autopatrol and rollback and other rights superceded by admin rights and I re-added it back. And now this guy comes to hand harsh block of 1 year for this? That in my opinion is worthy of demotion. [[User:Artix Kreiger|Artix Kreiger]] ([[User talk:Artix Kreiger|talk]]) 00:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::::I will step down from my rights, and hard block myself for a little while. --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 00:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{u|dmehus}} Can you block me until the end of July? --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 00:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|TFFfan}} Normally, I would honour self-requested blocks, but in this case, I'm not going to do that, as I don't feel it's appropriate here until a [[TestWiki:Consuls|consul]] has had a chance to look through the events of today and make a determination on what, if anything, needs to happen. I don't want to prejudge anything here. You're welcome to block yourself, to self-enforce your existing topic ban; however, note that {{ping|RhinosF1}} will still need to assess today's events and the recidivism of your topic ban breach. Thus, if you ''do'' block yourself, I strongly recommend leaving talk page access, so that you are available to respond to RhinosF1 when he is by to assess the situation and make any additional commentary. Bear in mind, RhinosF1 is in the UK, and is likely sleeping as it's ~3 am there or so. You will probably have to wait until morning to hear from him. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Given you've removed your rights and requested a self block, I'm going to hard block you until that point. When your block expires, you should wait at least 1 month before requesting sysop back and a further 14 days for crat. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 05:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
== [[TestWiki:RecentChanges]] protection level ==
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:I've just seen this and both of you are commuting desysopable offences here. We've got one of you breaching a topic ban and one of you wheel warring. Please behave. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 16:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
::Per my discussion on [[meta:Discord|Discord]], I'm just confirming my acknowledgement of my error here, apologizing for the wheel-warring (i.e., I should've ''discussed'' the protection level change with TFFfan first, as TFFfan may have also wanted to self-revert their change to the protection level), and confirming it won't happen again. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
== My apologises ==
I didn't realise that restoring your userpage would have the undesired side effect of changing the content of your entire userpage to something you didn't want. I have therefore deleted it in order to correct my own error, citing the reason as a "technical deletion". Sorry. [[User:Kiko4564|Kiko4564]] ([[User talk:Kiko4564|talk]]) 00:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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