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TestWiki:Request permissions

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

Hello. One user requested permissions without having written what permissions. In case he does not answer in how many days the request must be closed? Thanks! Fffv7787 (talk) 14:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Fffv7787 I think such those request should be closed immediately. I did not find much in the policy --MdsShakil (talk) 14:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MdsShakil Thank you! Fffv7787 (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello. Fffv7787 and MdsShakil, no! Such requests should not be closed (declined) immediately. The best practice to deal with such requests is to ask which permissions they want and put the request on hold. If they didn't reply close the request as stale after the few days (preferable after 4-5 days). --Mazzaz (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mazzaz Hello. I reopen this request. Fffv7787 (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
AlPaD, Magogre, and MdsShakil, I thought I'd jump in to clarify the uncertainty in response to AlPa's question. Magogre's response is generally correct, but there's not a specific timeframe. It really depends. It could be two or three days, or 4-7 days, and then closed as stale, but yeah, basically (a) don't close it immediately and (b) don't close it as declined; rather, use stale. Hope that helps. :) Dmehus (talk) 04:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for Consul: Magogre

Latest comment: 2 years ago9 comments8 people in discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This is a good-faith and intentioned request for Consul from a generally helpful, active, and positive bureaucrat and sysop on TestWiki, so the candidate is thanked both for their activity, continuing to help users, and for putting their name forward for consideration for Consul. There is consensus here that the candidate is generally helpful, active, and pleasant; however, as to whether there is a need for additional need for additional Consuls, given that we currently have six Consuls, five of which do hold other global roles, there's no consensus, given the workload required of Consuls, some of which is partially automated as Naleksuh notes. As well, there's not yet consensus here that the candidate is sufficiently experienced to undertake those duties. That being said, the candidate is encouraged to being active on TestWiki, and to notifying any Consuls should there be the rare occasion where they can't undertake a certain action (namely, ManageWiki-related actions or interface-admin permissions requests). Where a user requests, and qualifies for, interwiki-admin on TestWiki, the candidate can reach out to any of three of the Consuls to effect in their Steward capacities. Dmehus (talk) 04:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hello, I am Magogre. I have been around since the past few months translating and assigning permissions to users at TestWiki:Request permissions. I would like to request the consul rights to help out in removing the rights of the inactive admins, thereby, helping to reduce the workload of the current consuls which are stewards or sysadmins. Thank you for considering, --Magogre (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-10-7

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments3 people in discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This has been done  done by a Consul, so this effort, while in good-faith albeit incorrect, from a procedural point of view, is moot. Dmehus (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2021-10-7 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
on Behalf of Consul Team
2021-10-7
Hi, you are not a consul and by policy unable to do this. RhinosF1 (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey sorry can you do that then? I think I will withdraw if we switch places. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RhinosF1 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RhinosF1 hey I am really waiting for your answer Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hello @RhinosF1 I need to take action, Please let me know if what I am doing possibly is wrong. Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
per policy mission dismissed 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 03:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-10-09

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2021-10-16 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk)
For the Consul Team
22:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Dmehus (talk) 22:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Rights removed from ten (10) users, noting that HeartsDo was given a temporary, three-month inactivity exception, with Consul discretion due to their activity from StructuredDiscussions seemingly not counting. Dmehus (talk) 23:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New policy for abuse filter

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Hello guys, I am Matttest. I have created a new proposed-for-policy page for abuse filter. In fact now there are no policies or guidelines related to the abuse filter test, and I think it’s better to create one. Currently, I think this page can be merge into the TestWiki policy TestWiki:Main policy. What do you think? Please give some suggestions for the community. You may also change this proposal page. Regards, —-Matttest (talk) 09:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

P.S. I think the testing of abuse filter is a serious action, and it may be misused. It has its importance to be part of the policy of TestWiki (and maybe by merging to TestWiki:Main policy or TestWiki:Testing policy). I hope you guys can give out some opinions concerning this. Matttest (talk) 10:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

TNT module

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Why does my module that works good in meta doesn't work here? The imported module here links to Module:TNT for some reason, TNT does nothing for the template, and there's not even an invoke code or require code in lua Anpang (talk) 08:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-12-27

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2022-01-02 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk)
For the Consul Team
03:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 Rights removed from fifteen (15) users. Dmehus (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I restore this page?

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/fi&action=edit&redlink=1 I deleted this as a test but can't figure out how to restore it. Lugia Ann (talk) 03:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lugia Ann, that is a translation subpage, so you cannot/should not restore it in the traditional way. You have to either import the translations using the Translate extension, or just retranslate it. Dmehus (talk) 03:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I will see if I can use those ways to restore the page. Lugia Ann (talk) 03:45, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Consul request - unprotect

Latest comment: 2 years ago7 comments2 people in discussion

These pages should be unprotected. They were protected back when crats could assign interface-admin as a security precaution, but now only consuls can assign it. They should be unprotected so authorized interface-admins can edit them. Naleksuh (talk) 01:49, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Though the CSS and JS script pages are sensitive from a security standpoint, I'd be willing to lower protection for the skin-specific CSS/JS pages to interface-admin, on a provisional basis; however, the reasons by which MediaWiki:Sitenotice, MediaWiki:Sidebar, MediaWiki:Common.css, and MediaWiki:Common.js are Consul-protected is because these either control the sitewide CSS/JS for everyone or they relate to matters which are within the purview of the non-test bureaucrats on TestWiki, Consuls. Dmehus (talk) 22:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dmehus: First, Common.js and Common.css are protected for security reasons (infact, they were incorrectly protected before until I had Void fix it), second, interface admin is a non-testing group, and non-test edits are permitted. It is the same reason I have interface admin. Naleksuh (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Naleksuh, yes, I remember that the pages in question were protected with creation protection rather than as blank pages with edit protection, and I thank you for your report. However, interface-admin is not, strictly speaking, a non-test permission. It is somewhat of a hybrid test/non-test permission. Regardless, it is nonetheless a Consul-delegated role, and I'm both (a) not seeing a high volume of edit requests that Consuls cannot handle for these pages and (b) given the widespread end user impacts MediaWiki:Common.css, and MediaWiki:Common.js can have, I'm inclined to defer to the pre-existing Consul practice of maintaining these at Consul protection. Dmehus (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
​ If that's the case, then there's no reason to have the interface-admin group at all, might as well delete it. Right now, interface-admins can editsitejs except for the part where they can't because it was protected, and was only protected back when it could be assigned by anyone. Naleksuh (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, the group was deleted before, but I can see a valid reasons for non-Consuls to be able to perform gadget maintenance, upgrades, and various other tasks on TestWiki. I can also see a weaker case for it being used for testing changes before deploying to a non-TestWiki Miraheze wiki or another wiki. The idea is that it can be used for both testing and non-testing purposes, but rather than the permission being granted by any bureaucrat, which any user can request, in theory if not in practice, after they have made at least ten (10) editing contributions and had an account for at least four (4) days, it was felt that was too weak of a granting criteria. For those reasons, I see a case for maintaining the group, but I'd certainly be open to hearing what other users, and especially interface administrators, have to say on the matter Dmehus (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was not suggesting deleting the group, that was rhetorical. Naleksuh (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inactive Rights Removal - 2022-02-19

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2022-02-26 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk)
For the Consul Team
23:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 Ten (10) users removed per the above, with an administrative note to Ugochimobi. Ugochimobi, please note that, going forward, StructuredDiscussions activity is not counted as activity, pending a fix to the the inactivity script by Void, so you will need to demonstrate some other form of activity by the next time the script is run later in March. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 23:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dmehus: for example, the edit I made here ? Thanks :) Ugochimobi (talk) 23:36, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ugochimobi,  Exactly. Thank you. You are now active for three (3) more months. Dmehus (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much Doug :), it's been a while we actually chatted but I'm sure you're okay 😊 Ugochimobi (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Minor amendment to the TestWiki:Inactivity policy

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

I've made the following minor amendment to the TestWiki:Inactivity policy, mainly due to the way in which the findInactiveSysops.js script works. Unfortunately, it is not able to consider StructuredDiscussions activity, or is it able to consider edits which are subsequently deleted by another administrator. Views from the community are welcome on this, but do note that the alternative would be to revert to determining inactivity based on Consul discretion, rather than a semi-automated activity based process. Dmehus (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's possible to take into account deleted edits by updating the script to make use of mw:API:Alldeletedrevisions, and it should also be possible to take into account StructuredDiscussions activity via parsing the HTML of Special:Contributions/Special:DeletedContributions as a final check. — Arcversin (talk) 01:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Arcversin, yeah, Void said on IRC he figured he'd be able to correct the deleted contributions issue, but hadn't yet found a way to resolve the StructuredDiscussions issue. If you have a way of correcting the latter, I'm sure we could probably temporarily lower protection on User:Void/findInactiveSysops.js for you. Dmehus (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What can be done is directly requesting Special:Contributions and Special:DeletedContributions without using the API so that the Structured Discussions contributions are added, then looking over that in the script to check if the last contribution by the user was via Structured Discussions, and if so, check the timestamp. This should get everything except deleted topics. — Arcversin (talk) 02:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's not a bad idea, but it's much harder to implement than it sounds, especially considering the likelihood that this would not be consistent for all users. Instead, I have the much more interesting idea of having the API parse {{Special:Contributions/<username>}}. This, when combined with a few specific options should produce consistent results for all users, provided I can figure out an accurate method for parsing out the timestamp. -- Void Whispers 03:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds interesting. — Arcversin (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request to enable extension

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I'd like to request that the TemplateSandbox extension be enabled. — Arcversin (talk) 02:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Arcversin, sure, that extension could be quite useful here, so  done. Dmehus (talk) 06:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CheckUser

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, for test and information on MediaWiki is it possible for a CheckUser to check User:Naleksuh BOT and privately send the results back to me? This would need to be done by a consteward, so User:Dmehus or User:Void can help, if this is allowed. Naleksuh (talk) 02:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Naleksuh, getting to your DMs on IRC as I suspect this is what they are about. Dmehus (talk) 03:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is permitted, per Data Request Process. Let me clarify with Owen whether he'd prefer Trust and Safety or Stewards to handle this request. It's essentially a limited in scope private user data request. Dmehus (talk) 03:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
​I don't remember any previous conversation but it is not "about" anything I've mentioned to someone else before, it is about something contemporary. I do wish you would stop "getting to" real-time communication though, it defeats the purpose of it. Naleksuh (talk) 03:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I saw your DMs and that was unrelated to this request. Dmehus (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Naleksuh, I have received clarification from Owen on this. Either role is capable of handling such requests. It depends on the channel in which was requested. Since you've made the request of Stewards, then it is fair for Stewards to handle it. Would you be able to direct message me on IRC your preferred method of private data delivery? I assume you'd probably prefer e-mail, but I'd prefer you didn't share your e-mail address publicly. If you have a different preferred private data delivery method, then you can also share that privately as well. Dmehus (talk) 09:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
​Basically I just want anyone with CheckUser access here to load the IP addresses for User:Naleksuh BOT (as many as can be fetched, 5k in 3 months) and send back the results, either via IRC or email, whichever works. Naleksuh (talk) 10:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Naleksuh, this has now been  done, but is just awaiting further response from you on IRC to see if you need additional data returned. I'll leave my checkuser flag on for a little bit longer, to provide you an opportunity to reply privately. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cannot delete a file

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

I uploaded File:Test png.PNG for test use,but when I done my test,I cannot delete it.The page tell me "Deleting page: An unknown error occurred in storage backend "local-backend"."How can I do then? SD hehua (talk) 06:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SD hehua: I've opened a ticket on Phabricator regarding this error, please see T8913 for further details. — Arcversin (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. SD hehua (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admin Training/School

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

After looking at the main page and finding it talks about a possible admin school existing in the future, I think that we should spend some time creating one, I have an idea currently but it would help if others helped with it, currently my draft of what it could look like is stored in userpage as User:Zippybonzo/Admin School and I would appreciate if you had time to drop by and help or give some feedback, Thanks, Zippybonzo Zippybonzo (talk) 19:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm wanting to import admin guide from Wikipedia which is more information. Thingofme (talk) 12:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Sysop

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello. This userpage is owned by a user who does not have a local TestWiki account. That's why I suggest deleting it or creating a local account. Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 12:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Restriction Appeal

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, I am here to appeal my restriction on not asking for bureaucrat until May 1. I am asking this because I would like to practice mass-deletion and other things a bureaucrat can do. I promise to be responsible with the role and not test on non-test pages or write any insults. Thank you. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 22:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To add-on: What I'm looking for here is the community's input on whether you think I can regain bureaucrat before May 1. Just to make that clear. I think I'm ready but have been told that I needvto ask here. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 20:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Consul comment: I told ApexAgunomu I'd consider earlier lifting/revisions of their restriction if they gain the consent of either of (a) one other Consul (I'm officially neutral, but willing to side with whichever way another Consul sides) or (b) two recently active TestWiki community members in good standing. These need not be bureaucrats. They should hold at least sysop, though, but not strictly a requirement. Dmehus (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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