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Please give feedback on template:Do not archive until[edit]

Please give feedback on template:Do not archive until.Adjusted to take into account that auto-archiving will take place two weeks later.See also meta:Autoarchive.Thank you for your cooperation.-- (talk) 15:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@: I like the Meta archive templates. These are the ones that use a bot to archive them when you tag a thread with that template, correct? In any case, I would only make one small change, by replacing the transclusions of the Template:Intricate redirect with Template:Intricate template, the actual template, so we can delete the extraneous and unneeded redirect. Other than that, seems fine to me. :) Dmehus (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Wait, I think I'm getting confused by the two Meta templates; I would actually prefer us to drop the use of the Revibot automatic archiving as I do feel 14 days is too short and, since Revi has "de-facto retired" from the Miraheze wikis, it's unlikely it'll be setup on other wikis. My preference would be to adopt the Wikimedia Meta method of archiving whereby a different bot archives the thread when a human editor has tagged it with an applicable "okay to archive" template. Dmehus (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: Thank you for the advice.The replacement is complete.I think that the proposal to Revibot itself needs the proposal to meta RfC.-- (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@: Yeah, I think replacing Revibot on Meta would definitely need either a (a) local RfC or (b) some sort of community discussion on the Meta community portal. What do you think? We could possibly replace, though, Revibot on TestWiki without too much discussion, as long as we talked it over with RhinosF1 and/or Void (the two most active consuls here). By the way, are you the same Pine from Wikimedia's Outreach Wiki? Dmehus (talk) 01:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus:No, but unfortunately, the "松・Pine・Matsu" account could not be created because it has already been acquired.I'm thinking about when to reissue the suggestion requesting the introduction of this template in the Community noticeboard of meta.It might be better to collect opinions on testwiki.-- (talk) 02:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Where can I find a page on the testwiki where I can check if the template I created this time works as expected? (i.e.Where is Revibot valid page?)-- (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus:I've checked TestWiki:Rightsbot and I'm worried that if Revibot doesn't exist on this wiki, I can't test how the archive works on testwiki.-- (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@: I thought you were trying to design an archiving system without Revibot? As far as I'm aware, I don't think Revibot is set up on Public Test Wiki; it's just set up on Meta. Maybe I'm a bit unclear on what the end goal of this template is. If it's just about telling Revibot not to archive threads before a certain period of time, why don't we just increase the days to archive value on Meta? Dmehus (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus:Please see Template:Bump(Template:Bump).-- (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@:, thanks. Saw it. What did you want me to look at? That just effectively works like a relisting template by adding a timestamp to prevent a thread from being archived, no? Dmehus (talk) 13:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus:I discussed Spike and RfC rules.At that time, I came to the conclusion that I had to delay archiving the Community noticeboard during the draft period.The original template I'm creating now is supposed to be used for pages that will be archived in 2-3 days.Therefore, if we copy it to meta as it is, the archive becomes too slow.Since meta is an important wiki, you should be careful when introducing new templates.So, I'm making a beta version of the template on testWiki and requesting opinions.-- (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: I saw the voting in the CN and resumed the template creation. I changed the name to Template:This thread is protected from Revibot's automatic archive for n days for clarity of purpose.The name of this template is too long, so I think we need a redirect to a short name.We also need to rename Template:Do not archive until and Template:DNAU.I do not use English on a daily basis, so I would like to ask you, who uses English on a daily basis, for the opinion of the template name.thinks.-- (talk) 03:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)fix.-- (talk) 04:57, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@: Why do we need to rename {{Do not archive until}} and template redirect {{DNAU}}? Couldn't we just rename to {{This thread is protected from Revibot's automatic archive for n days}} to {{Temporary prevention of automatic archiving}} and have {{TPAA}} as a template redirect? Dmehus (talk) 13:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus:Thank you for the advice.The reason we changed the name is that this template was created assuming that it will be archived by Revibot two weeks later.(i.e.If the bot settings are different, another template is required.) It seems good to set the name to {{Temporary prevention of automatic archiving}} so that we can select the bot to use instead of entering the comment as the second argument so that it can support multiple bots.-- (talk) 14:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@: Thanks for the reply and clarification. Doesn't the template code show a parameter for defining a custom archiving time, though, with the, I think, 2= parameter? I may have misread the code (was looking quickly), but if that's not the case, perhaps we could add a custom time parameter? Dmehus (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: Thanks for the reply.For the time being, the only bot running on meta is Revibot, so it may be good to maintain the current status.Regarding the time parameter, it may be difficult because there was an explanation unless it corresponds in the original template.-- (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I am currently importing a template description page and trying to propagate the template changes to the description page.As for the section Examples, what do you think about reflecting the commented out part?-- (talk) 02:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Community proposal on the future of the torunblocked[edit]

Inactive Rights Removal - 2020-08-24[edit]

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2020-08-31 if they do not return to activity:

Additionally, the following alternate account(s), with zero edits or log actions and which showed up on the inactivity report, has had its/their user groups removed by Consul action this date.

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk)
For the Consul Team
23:28, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 5 users removed RhinosF1 (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Consul Request - Naleksuh[edit]

Give feedback on Template:Delete[edit]

I imported and fixed the template from Meta, this can be notified administrator delete. I would like to establish a new deletion policy and become a formal policy. This category's list of page can be deleted by administrator, so can use this template for all users to request deletion. Thanks, –S3097 (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@S3097: When you say you would like to establish "a new deletion policy and become a formal policy," do you mean on TestWiki or Meta? While we may want to have a formal deletion policy, it needn't be too detailed, and would mainly revolve around after what timeframe other administrators can delete long abandoned userspace sandbox content of long departed former administrators. With regard to this deletion template, it's a good-faith idea, to be sure. And if this were any other wiki, I'd say, "yes, implement it"; however, the number of potential users who would utilize this is very low (I can think of only one, maybe two, non-administrator users who might use it). Since essentially anyone can become an administrator, they can just delete the page for which they're requesting deletion. Dmehus (talk) 14:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd agree with Dmehus on this one. Since essentially anyone can become an admin, the page can simply just be deleted and I don't think it's necessary for such a template to exist, although it certainly isn't harmful. I think a deletion policy is a good idea but in a different respect (policy of how the deletion tool is used). Naleksuh (talk) 01:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Alias[edit]

Can TW become an alias for Project/TestWiki? Naleksuh (talk) 04:28, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@Naleksuh: Yes, absolutely, this was on my list of things to do, actually. What do you think should be the aliases for the other namespaces, other than Main namespace (which doesn't need one)? Dmehus (talk) 04:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think they're necessary for other namespaces. I have no opposition to them being created if a use is found though. Naleksuh (talk) 04:38, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
@Naleksuh: Okay, I've  done this then, with TW: the alias for Project: namespace and TWT: the alias for Project talk: namespace, as that seemed logical. Other aliases I would primarily add would be U: for User: namespace; UT: for User talk: namespace; T: for Talk: namespace; and CAT: and CT: for Category: and Category talk: namespaces. The others probably don't really need aliases in the medium term, if at all. Any objections to those as the aliases? Dmehus (talk) 04:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think they are needed but see no problem with them. Naleksuh (talk) 04:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: It appears that non-project shortcuts are on wikipedia's list of perennial proposals. Since we generally try to follow Wikipedia, maybe they should be removed for that reason. Naleksuh (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@Naleksuh: I'm a bit confused because my understanding is that English Wikipedia does have non-project namespace shortcut aliases; however, I was also told by another Consul, if I recall correctly, that English Wikipedia does their namespace shortcut aliases differently than Miraheze. At any rate, I haven't added any of the other aliases yet, so can certainly off for now. Dmehus (talk) 23:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Assume good faith[edit]

Hi everyone. Please see the proposed policy TestWiki:Assume good faith and let me know if you have any problems with it. Otherwise, it can be set to policy page. Naleksuh (talk) 04:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Only due to the considerable lack of content in the policy. If @Naleksuh: were to add more content, description, etc., then based on the content I would probably change my current Weak oppose to Strong support. @Dmehus: What do you think of the policy? BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0000Editor: I have removed the support/oppose sections you added, because this is not a numerical vote. As for it being short, you are free to expand it once your block expires. Naleksuh (talk) 01:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Naleksuh: I am not going to expand it right now for a couple reasons. First, it is YOUR policy. You get to make it, make the decisions around it until it is ready. Also, I am really busy right now with a lot of things, sorry, but I'll get around to it as some point if I can. User:BlackWidowMovie0000Editor 20:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0000Editor: That's fine, you don't have to expand the policy, but I would just note that it is a draft policy, and this isn't yet a community vote to adopt a finished policy, so anyone is encouraged to contribute, or not contribute, to said draft policy. It's not just up to Naleksuh, even though he did propose it for discussion. Secondly, I do find it a bit interesting that you're citing the same rationale I have given you for not being able to look at certain things you've asked me to look at it. Finally, any reason why you've chosen not to include a link to your user talk page in your signature, or was that just an oversight? Dmehus (talk) 20:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I made that rationale up on the spot, probably remembered it from when you told me it lol. And there was no link to the talk page because I needed the block to expire to set my new signature, you'll see it in this message. Also, just a quick question. You can't upload files to loginwiki, how do you get a picture to get onto the global userpage? 22:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0000Editor: You can use Miraheze Commons to upload images that can be used on any Miraheze wiki Naleksuh (talk) 23:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Naleksuh: Thanks! 00:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Inactive Rights Removal - 2020-09-22[edit]

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2020-09-29 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

RhinosF1 (talk)
For the Consul Team
14:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 2 users removed per the Inactivity report. Dmehus (talk) 23:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Forum error[edit]

I attempted to close a test forum topic, but got a MediaWiki exception for database query error. Anyone else experiences this? Naleksuh (talk) 06:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

When the conditions of the abuse filter are met, a database query error was displayed, but I'm not sure if it is related to this case.-- (talk) 12:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
@Naleksuh: I haven't tried to close a forum topic, but I do get similar errors when editing a forum's description or adding forum description that exceeds 255 characters. That's likely a bug and should be upstreamed (assuming Wikimedia Phabricator handles that). I also plan on creating an upstream task to revamp the extension's error handling to instead reject the user's input where it's not acceptable (i.e., descriptions greater than 255 characters). For that reason, I don't plan on using the WikiForum extension here for anything other than strictly testing purposes, at least until most of the bugs are fixed. Dmehus (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying to adapt an archive bot to this page and Rp, what about the time to archive?[edit]

Would you want it to be the same as meta?-- (talk) 12:40, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I do not think an archive bot is necessary here. Especially for pages like cp that should definitely be manual archive. Naleksuh (talk) 15:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
@ and Naleksuh: Thank you for the question. I wondered about enabling archiving on the community portal, but given the length some discussions may stay open for (usually can be closed after 5-7 calendar days, but some may need longer, to encourage participation), I tend to agree with Naleksuh here that this page should be manually archived. I must say, though, that I am generally quite happy to have TestWiki:Request permissions being automatically archived again, and on a shorter timeframe (14 days versus the previous 60sd when Revibot last operated here). Dmehus (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Amended 18:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC) by Dmehus (talk)
60 s as in 60 seconds? Revibot only wakes up every 24 hours (and do nothing for the rest of the day), so anything less than 1d or 24h practically becomes 24h. — revi 16:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
—revi LOL, no I meant 60d, yeah. Thanks for the head's up on my inadvertent typo. Dmehus (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the comment.Certainly, this page also seems to double as a meta RfP.By the way, if we manually archive a section that uses a ping template, wouldn't we ping it again?-- (talk) 22:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
No. Echo requires the signature of the editor for their "ping" to function [to be precise, either one of (userpage|user talk|contribs page)], in this case Revibot, and Revibot never signs their post. — revi 14:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@Revi: Thank you for teaching me.-- (talk) 01:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Inactive Rights Removal - 2020-10-19[edit]

The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2020-10-26 if they do not return to activity:

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk)
For the Consul Team
14:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
@ZI Jony: Do you intend to use the rights within the near future? If you don't, you can always just ask for them back then rather than make 1 edit every few months. RhinosF1 (talk) 13:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@RhinosF1:, I am really very busy with my personal life. If you'd like to remove then go ahead and I'll ask you once will be back to the normal. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 14:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@ZI Jony: It's sound like real life is keeping you busy, so am going to go ahead and mark this as  done. Thank you for your service. When you're able to volunteer with TestWiki again, please rerequest rights at TestWiki:Request permissions or on the user talk page of any Consul. Dmehus (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 Rights removed from five (5) users. Dmehus (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)