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==== Support (1) ====
#{{Support|strong}} Absolutely. No clue why a domain that wasn't .miraheze.org was used. This is a Miraheze project, it should be treated as such. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
#: Well, it isn't officially (see proposal 2 + Agent Isai's Meta RfC). [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 17:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Support}} It's better as link. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 21:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
# [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Support}} [[w:sunk cost fallacy]] isn't a good reason to keep the domain. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Support}} I support the inversion as proposed by Naleksuh for the existing domain to prevent breakages with existing links. If the intent (as I read it from context) is no longer to maintain a stand-alone non-miraheze instance for wiki testing, we should phase out discrete domains where it isn't relevant. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 03:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
#:good idea [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 04:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
==== Abstain (1) ====
==== Oppose (1) ====
# {{Oppose}} The timing of this proposal is quite unfortunate since the domain was just renewed and paid for a few days ago. I don't believe wasting money is a good idea and we've had this domain for 7.5 years now so another year wouldn't hurt. Otherwise this discussion was had at launch and it was thought that it would be more appealing to have a custom domain rather than just have "test.miraheze.org" which could appear as just being a test wiki in the sense of sysadmins testing stuff, kind of like what Beta is. Either way, if this would be done I'd suggest at least waiting till the domain expiry so the money wasn't spent for nothing. As for claims that custom domains "don't work well", I haven't encountered any issues with domains so I'm not sure where that's coming from. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
#: But you supported test wiki becoming an official Miraheze project. That can't happen if the domain doesn't move to Miraheze. As for paying for the domain, this is a slightly more valid issue, however, the flipside is that the domain was renewed without consensus to do so, so they essentially took a gamble on spending their own money. So, do you oppose changing the domain, or do you support it becoming a Miraheze project? It can't be both. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
#:: Also, the money wouldn't be "spent for nothing" because the redirect would still work but in reverse. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
#:::Regarding consensus to renew the domain, the fact that it's been renewed each year during 7 years before means that there was implicit consensus to renew it again given the community didn't initiate these proposals before. It wouldn't make sense to have to ask every year if the community agrees to renew the domain again, I'm almost certain that no other wiki with a custom domain does this. As for the official project argument, having a custom domain doesn't mean that it can't be an official project in my opinion. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 17:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
#:::: It does, because then it's not on a Miraheze domain. I think other people pointed this out on IRC before. Imagine our list of projects being dev.miraheze.org, commons.miraheze.org, meta.miraheze.org, publictestwiki.com... what absurdity that would be. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
#:[[w:sunk cost fallacy]] [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} per [[User:Reception123|Reception123]], but also because (a) this is a solution in search of a problem and because (b) the decision on the primary web address for the wiki is in scope of [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consuls]]. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
#:# Per Reception123 is invalid per [[w:sunk cost fallacy]].
#:# It is not a solution to a problem. It is an enhancement to expand Miraheze's official projects. That's not the same as a solution.
#:# Then let's summon the Consuls to vote as well. Also, do you have a source for that?
#:[[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
#::I didn't say the expended cost on the domain was something with which I specifically agreed. The issue is that the proponent has proposed that the custom domain is a problem when it is. As Reception123 articulated, I see no reason why we should not allow officially community-sanctioned wikis to have custom domains. There's also the issue with the Betaheze wikis used for system administrator testing. Those used to be called Test 2 Wiki, Test 3 Wiki, and so forth. Their subdomains currently redirect to Betaheze, which is a problem. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
#::: That's different because that's a technical limitation. You're trying to say that this should be a seperate domain by design. A Miraheze project should be on a Miraheze domain. Could you seriously imagine something like:
#:::: Here's our list of projects:
#:::: dev.miraheze.org
#:::: commons.miraheze.org
#:::: meta.miraheze.org
#:::: publictestwiki.com
#::: That's absurd. I also don't like that domain in general, and have thought it should be removed even before the official-izing, this just gives it even more of a reason. And yes, all of Reception123's points have been addressed by supporters, so opposing per those doesn't make much sense unless you have something new to say, [[:w:WP:VOTE|polling is not a substitute for discussion]]. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|strong}} per Reception and that I prefer the custom domain as it denotes it even more as a public space for testing Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] | [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 17:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
#:What do you mean by per Reception? Reception's argument is a [[w:sunk cost fallacy|sunk cost fallacy]], you haven't explained why it's correct. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 19:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
#:: There are multiple issues with it, not just that. But yes, everything Reception123 has said has already been addressed by multiple people. Discussions are not votes, so "oppose per Reception123" without adding new information is not helpful. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
#::: In addition, many of the supports to making test wiki an official project were only done on the condition that the custom domain was removed, so to make it an official project without removing the custom domain would wrong these users. In addition, the custom domain is not controlled by Miraheze. Since it looks like there is pretty much all there is to say, consensus continues to form here and on Meta, and opposers are just going in circles I would like this request to be closed soon and the domain updated [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} per above. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 20:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} After having giving this a lot of thought, and weighing both oppositions and supports, I have decided to oppose this proposal. I know I previously stated on the metawiki RfC that I would be against it keeping a custom domain, if it became official, however after having carefully weighed all sides to
# {{Oppose}} After having giving this a lot of thought, and weighing both oppositions and supports, I have decided to oppose this proposal. I know I previously stated on the metawiki RfC that I would be against it keeping a custom domain, if it became official, however after having carefully weighed all sides to thus argument, my opinion on the matter as slightly swayed to the point of supporting keeping the custom domain. A custom domain for the test wiki, such as the current, publictestwiki.com, helps to distinguish it from other similar wikis, such as potential SRE test wikis (even though I know we don't have any on the miraheze.org domain, others wont be so aware, and reverting to test.miraheze.org brings this possible confusion to light). This distinction gives the test wiki a unique identity and makes it stand out as a separate entity. Additionally, having a custom domain allows the test wiki to be easily recognisable and memorable, which can be especially useful for users who need to frequently access it. As for the point of where it becomes inconsistent when listing the official wikis, this is not necessarily true. It can still be advertised as an official wiki like test.miraheze.org (and <code><nowiki>[[mh:test|test]]</nowiki></code> still uses test.miraheze.org) I do not see why we would list it as an official wiki as publictestwiki.com, for all official wiki advertising of the domain, it would still be done as test.miraheze.org. This was a difficult decision to oppose, but for the reasons I have articulated, I am. [[User:Universal Omega|Universal Omega]] ([[User talk:Universal Omega|talk]]) 04:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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