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:::Really, you do not need to close out the browser. Clearing out the browser data should work fine. If that does not work, trying in incognito mode or the equivalent for your browser should do the trick. -[[User:Examknow|Examknow]] ([[User talk:Examknow|talk]]) 23:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Yes, thank you very much to {{u|Examknow}}. Clearing the cookies and browsing data is doesn't work on it, but using the incognito mode is work for Chrome. [[User:SA 13 Bro|<b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b>]] ([[User talk:SA 13 Bro|talk]]) 23:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 
== Question ==
 
May I create a page "TestWiki:Sandbox/Filter test" to test the filter?--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 14:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
:@{{u|松}} Yes, you may. Also, there is the page [[Filter test]] for mainspace-exclusive filters. Thanks! --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 18:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|松|TFFfan}} That sounds like a good way to test abuse filters, limiting them only to a certain test page as opposed to all or certain namespaces. If you would like TFFfan to help you with that abuse filter, I'm sure that would be fine as it is limited to only a testing page (a subpage of [[Sandbox]]). [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
{{ping|Dmehus|TFFfan}} Thank you for your reply. Adjusted the filter for testing on both.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 03:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|松|TFFfan}} Okay, thanks for the update, Pine. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== Suggestion ==
 
I just copied some templates from Wikipedia and imported them here for top icons and a padlock icon. This would be used if a page is protected. I want to know if I can go and add the icons to all protected pages not in the User namespace? Here are some links. [[Template:Pp]] [[Template:Top icon]]. In addition, the top icon can be used for other purposes, such as a custom one for an official policy page. I just wanted some feedback on those ideas, and I can add them and/or make more proposals as well. Thanks! --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 23:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Dmehus}} Just pinging you for your feedback. You can remove when you get it. :) --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 23:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|TFFfan}} In ''theory'', I '''like''' the page protection top icons as I ''do'' think they're useful and clearly show whether a page is protected. However, my concern is that in ''practice'', on wikis where there is '''''not''''' a [[TestWiki:Bots|bot]] of some kind like [[w:User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]] on English Wikipedia that checks protected pages or titles at regular intervals and automatically adds, and removes, the protected top icons, we could very easily end up in a situation (especially on a testing wiki) where we have unprotected pages with protected top icons (or vice versa). So, at this point, let's maybe hold off for now until we devise an error-free/problem-free solution? [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 
==Inactive Rights Removal - 2020-07-15==
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2020-07-22 if they do not return to activity:
*{{RFP/User|~Squiggles~}}
*<s>{{RFP/User|A2093064}} - Now active</s>
*{{RFP/User|AnimeBot}}
*{{RFP/User|Bonnedav-test}}
*<s>{{RFP/User|Borschts}} - Now active</s>
*{{RFP/User|Brownlowe.2}}
*<s>{{RFP/User|Dross}} - Not marked as inactive</s>
*{{RFP/User|DW YoungDLS}}
*<s>{{RFP/User|Fair0002}} - Now active</s>
*{{RFP/User|Mazbel}}
*{{RFP/User|Rots61}}
*{{RFP/User|Shadi12}}
 
Thanks,
:[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]])
:For the Consul Team
:12:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 
I’m active again, hello. pls let me keep my rights :) [[User:Fair0002|Fair0002]] ([[User talk:Fair0002|talk]]) 02:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Fair0002}} Welcome back. As you've made an ''edit'' and/or a ''log action'', you're considered ''active''. {{ping|RhinosF1}} and/or his [[User:RF1 Bot|bot]] will verify again on the stated removal date whether anyone has been active since the notification date. So, you've done everything you needed to do, as far as my understanding goes. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
::I have updated the list. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 09:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|RhinosF1}} I thought you were maybe going to manually update [[User:Dross|Dross]] back to being ''inactive'', due to the error in the script? If ''not'', I have {{support|strong}} toward manually removing the user due to inactivity. This request can be treated as a community proposal, and manually closed by a [[TestWiki:Consuls|consul]] in 5-7 calendar days if no meaningful opposition. ;) [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}}, pinging [[User:Void|Void]] to see why the script hasn't picked Dross up. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 21:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
::For anyone following this thread, [[User:Dross|Dross]] was rightfully deemed active by ''patrolling'' a revision earlier this month. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== Community proposal to Add <code>autopatrol</code> to [[TestWiki:Autoconfirmed users|Autoconfirmed]] implicit user group ==
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::Done. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 21:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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As part of an omnibus [[Special:Permalink/23514#Inactivity|community proposal]] put forward by our [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] colleague [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] several months ago related to the management of inactive [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], proposal # 2 specified that ''all'' user groups were to be removed from ''all'' inactive users who hadn't made either an ''edit'' or a ''log action'' in the preceding ninety (90) days. The reasons for removing administrator and bureaucrat due to inactivity are obvious and center around security, primarily. For the other user groups, largely, they're added for reasons of testing user group additions and removals, and, since [[TestWiki:Administrators|anyone can become an administrator]], they're generally unneeded and thus create extraneous clutter.
 
As part of recent quality assurance testing, I came across a confirmed bug (will be tracked in Phabricator shortly) in one of our deployed extensions such that when a previous administrator loses their user rights, their previously automatically patrolled revisions become unpatrolled, adding to the [[Special:RecentChanges|patrol]] [[Special:NewPages|backlog]].
 
To reduce that backlog, I propose that we add <code>autopatrol</code> to the [[TestWiki:Autoconfirmed users|Autoconfirmed]] implicit user group. Indeed, [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] already effected the same change recently on [[mh:login|Loginwiki]], primarily because that [[meta:System administrators|system administrator]]-managed central coordination wiki has no user groups and no local administrators yet still creates a fair amount of edits due to users maintaining their [[mw:Extension:GlobalUserPage|global user pages]]. As there is no set end date for fixing this bug, I propose that this change be indefinite. When it's resolved, we can easily propose to remove it from the group at [[TestWiki:Community portal|the community portal]], should there be a need (or we could just keep it that way as there's no reason ''not'' to).
 
=== Support ===
# {{Support|Strong}} As proposer. No reason ''not'' to. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 13:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
# {{Support}} -- Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''ZI Jony'''</span>]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 11:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 
=== Oppose ===
 
=== Abstain/Neutral ===
 
=== Comments ===
*It is difficult to remove the authority of Autoconfirmed, so I feel that the date before granting Autoconfirmed is too short.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 13:24, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
*:{{ping|松}} Yes, that's true, but [[Meta:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed]] doesn't provide ''that'' many rights on Public Test Wiki. Plus, anyone can request [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrator]] in less time than it takes to become <code>autoconfirmed</code>. I'd ideally like to either (a) ''shorten'' the account age for <code>autoconfirmed</code> from four days to one day, since [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] can be granted to any ''trustworthy'' user whose account is at least 24 hours old and has made at least ten edits or (b) ''increase'' the account age for [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] to four days from one day in order to simplify the wording of the eligibility requirements. But, I don't want to run too many concurrent proposals nor do I want to create confusion with this proposal that's essentially a housekeeping amendment. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
*:::From a spam standpoint, I think it's too short.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 01:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|松}} Yeah, I get that, but we ''do'' have pretty aggressive [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filters]], local and global, and we don't really have a problem with, well, much if any automated spam on Public Test Wiki (at least I haven't seen any in the past several months since I've been here). Plus, I think it's pretty consistent with the way in which most of the Wikimedia projects grant [[Meta:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed]] status? [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
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== CircleyDoesExtracter Inactivity Exemption ==
 
Hi. I am CircleyDoesExtracter.
 
As I tell I casually use the rights on this wiki for testing, but they are casual.
 
Thus, I wish to apply for an exemption from the inactivity rule. Thanks.
 
[[User:CircleyDoesExtracter|CircleyDoesExtracter]] ([[User talk:CircleyDoesExtracter|talk]]) 13:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|CircleyDoesExtracter}} I'm not opposed to you being granted a temporary inactivity exemption, but you need only make ''one'' log action ''or'' edit every three months. And, you will receive an e-mail message (if you have talk page notifications enabled for your user talk page), so even just ''replying'' to the talk page notification on-wiki is enough to count you as ''active''. Even patrolling a page revision or thanking someone for an edit should be enough to keep you as ''active''. We're also in the process of redoing our inactivity policy going forward, but I would have no problem with granting you an inactivity exemption, if you'd still like, until the date specified by the latest most recently added exemption request. I meant to also add, you are active on [[meta:Discord|Discord]], as well, and keep in contact with RhinosF1 and I, so since we're both active on this wiki, both of us will keep an eye out for you and if we see you haven't made a log action or edit here in 2-2.5 months, we'll nudge you ahead of time on Discord to make one, which will also keep you active. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 13:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} I see, but at least I got knowledge as a sysop. [[User:CircleyDoesExtracter|CircleyDoesExtracter]] ([[User talk:CircleyDoesExtracter|talk]]) 14:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|CircleyDoesExtracter}} Yeah, you definitely have a lot of experience as a <code>bureaucrat</code> and <code>sysop</code> on other wikis. As I say, I would support you being granted a temporary exemption until winter 2021 (about six months). By then, we should be able to have further clarified our policies with respect to inactivity exemptions. In any event, it will probably be moot as I will personally make sure that you do not go inactive, and {{tl|ping}} you on-wiki and [[meta:Discord|Discord]] to make sure you don't even ''go'' inactive. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:44, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== Suggestion ==
 
I've seen the Global rollback group suggestion and I thought that if each of the admins on the local wiki was able to successfully use the abuse filter, vandalism would be reduced.However, setting a abuse filter seems like a high threshold for light users.So, I thought it would be nice to create a page on this wiki with a lecture on how to set filters and a useful and simple example.I myself do not know how to set the filter.Thank you for your consideration.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 16:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|松}} We have [[Filter test]], which can be used as a page for testing actual filters, so as to impact very few (if any) users. Feel free to improve upon that page to provide some instructions. As we fill out documentation on creating abuse filters, we'll probably want to utilize '''Help:''' namespace. Nonetheless, in regards to your suggestion, it's a good one, and I have no concerns with doing this. I'll try and work on this in the next month or so (that proposal, ''as written'', probably will not pass, and will likely take yet another RfC in a few months to work towards having a global rollbacker group). [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} Thank you for your reply.I'm glad you could help me with my suggestions. I'm not familiar with abuse filters, so it would have been difficult to complete this suggestion myself.I thought it wasn't enough to just import the wikipedia filter usage filter description page. (If I import, could you help me edit?).I thought I would say that in RfC, but I stopped thinking it would be off-topic.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 23:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
::Addendum: I have noticed that in order to perform the import, unlike the template, you have to import not only one format but all the formats. (i.e. The amount of data is too large for me to do.)--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 23:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|松}} Yes, you should ''usually'' include templates transcluded on the given template when importing. Are you saying you're getting a rate limiting error? If ''so'', would you like me to temporarily assign you the [[TestWiki:Bots|bot]] flag, or would you like the [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] bit? Let me know by way of a reply to this thread, and I can assign the applicable right requested, linking to the [[Special:Diff|diff]]. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Dmehus}} Thank you for your reply.The page I'm trying to reference is this [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter/Rules format|page]].As it is, I feel that there are not enough examples, and since the translation code is inserted, it is better to remove the translation code.I also think it's better to import it into the help page.If we only need the latest version,I can probably import it.In my own private wiki(i.e.With bureaucrat and bot permissions), even smaller pages (but somewhat larger) have failed because they take too long, so I'm assuming they'll fail even with permissions.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 08:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|松}} Thanks for your reply, too. As to whether we ''need'' all revisions for CreativeCommons copyright compliance, I believe the answer is technically ''no'' (one revision is usually sufficient); however, I do ''like'' to for the purposes of [[w:WP:ATT|attribution]]. I see what you mean, as it did nearly time out on me, but, with patience and, perhaps, the [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] bit, I had success, and imported it to a subpage of [[User:松]] (your userspace in a '''Drafts''' initial subpage). I opted to ''not'' include the transcluded templates with this import and, fortunately, that seemed to be helpful, as I see we only need to likely import {{tl|int}} as {{tl|caution}} can probably be replaced with an existing message box template we have. As well, because of that, the "translate this page" template wasn't included; however, we'll still manually need to remove the translation tags. I chose to import it into a subpage of your userspace first, as I imagine you'd like to do some fine-tuning, removing of the translation tags, and so forth. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
{{Outdent|5}}{{ping|Dmehus}}Thank you very much.Great.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 05:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
:Translation tags across section have been removed.With this,we can perform the work of removing the translation tag for each section.I'm going to sleep, so I'll take a break.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 15:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Done}} I finished removing the translation tag.--[[User:松|松]] ([[User talk:松|talk]]) 13:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|松}} Wow, thanks. I started to try and help with that, but there were a ''lot'' of translation tags and tvar tags to remove, so that's appreciated. This will be useful for formulating our abuse filter help pages. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 
== Consul Request (Dmehus) ==
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::Successful [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 14:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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I'm requesting the community's assent to promote me to [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] because, like [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]]'s [[TestWiki:Community portal/Archive 2#Consul Request (RhinosF1)|Consul request]], I am the most [[Special:ActiveUsers|active user]] here on '''[[mh:test|Public Test Wiki]]'''. Indeed, it is one of my two home wikis (the other being '''[[mh:meta|Meta]]'''), and my total ''edits'' on this wiki represent more than 25% of my total global ''edit'' contributions across all Miraheze wikis. I am ''very'' active in actioning permissions requests at [[TestWiki:Request permissions]], mentoring new [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], providing guidance to the same new users in the aforementioned two groups where and when appropriate, and cleaning up after the same. I am also ''very'' active on [[meta:Discord|Discord]] and [[meta:IRC|IRC]] and at [[TestWiki:Community portal|this community portal]] with answering questions from potential, new, and existing [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]].
 
Among my reasons for requesting [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] is so that I can continue with maintenance and minor copyediting to <code>[[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]]</code>-protected pages and redirects, implement a redirect categorization scheme to better manage and track our cross-namespace redirects, develop a long-planned school for new [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], and implement configuration changes in [[Special:ManageWiki]] upon their having been first discussed at [[TestWiki:Community portal|this community portal]]. Over the medium- to longer-term, together with {{ping|RhinosF1}} and other [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consuls]], I also plan to further develop and amend our [[TestWiki:Policies|policies]], bringing them forward for discussion to [[TestWiki:Community portal|this community portal]] for discussion and potential adoption.
 
I would welcome any questions any [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrators]] and [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]] may have, and look forward to their supporting this request for [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]]. Thanks. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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=== Support ===
# Bold, italic, and underlined. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 
=== Neutral/Abstain ===
 
=== Oppose ===
 
=== Questions for the [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul candidate]] ===
# How will you choose when to protect a page at consul level? Personally I feel that it is overused currently. While some pages should certainly be kept away from administrators, bureaucrat protection exists for a reason. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
#:{{ping|Naleksuh}}, thanks for the question. I think things like the [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] should be protected at [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] because of the potential for abuse or misuse as [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] is still, mainly, a testing user right, albeit to users who've at least demonstrated a higher level of trust than [[TestWiki:Administrators|administrator]]. [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] is kind of a grey area; I get the ''idea'' behind potentially lowering that to [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]], but, at the same time, I could see that end up being quickly cluttered with links to tools only one or two editors might use, so would likely want to retain that protection level. Redirects, especially those with few if any inlinks, to policy or information pages could probably be lowered, at least to [[TestWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]. Pages like [[TestWiki:Inactivity/Exceptions]] should remain [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]]-protected for technical reasons as it is used by the [[User:RF1 Bot|Consul-operated bot]] as part of a semi-automated monthly inactivity notification and removal process. Looking through [[Special:ProtectedPages|pages protected at Consul]] level, the only two that I would say could probably be lowered would be [[Donate]] (a cross-namespace redirect to [[TestWiki:Donate]], with few if any inlinks linking to the redirect) and [[Request permissions]] (a cross-namespace redirect from main space to project space, again also with few if any inlinks).
#:But, a [[TestWiki:Protection policy]] is one of the things I'm hoping to begin drafting over the medium-term, that gives some guidelines on when to protect a page and what protection level should ultimately be used under certain conditions, the result of which I would ultimately bring forward to [[TestWiki:Community portal]] for a community discussion. Prior to bringing it forward, though, I would notify the community via that same portal page of the location of the draft, and invite the community to discuss the guidelines that should go into the draft (presumably, on the draft's talk page). Hope that clarifies. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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:He really should have this. I mean, look at all of his hard work. --[[User:TFFfan|TFFfan]] ([[User talk:TFFfan|talk]]) 18:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 
== Should users be able to edit through tor? ==
 
In [https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&logid=9817 this] log action, [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] revoked the <code>torunblocked</code> right from all registered users without warning and without consensus. As a big advocate of tor, I want the communities input on this, as to whether or not users should be able to edit through tor. [[User:TrustedInstaller|TrustedInstaller]] ([[User talk:TrustedInstaller|talk]]) 14:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as idea creator. [[User:TrustedInstaller|TrustedInstaller]] ([[User talk:TrustedInstaller|talk]]) 14:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' This idea has effectively been superceded by Proposal 4 as part of this [[TestWiki:Community portal#Community proposal on the future of the torunblocked|community proposal]], which I've now brought forward. You are encouraged to share your views, along with ''all'' members of the community. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 
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