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Greetings BrandomWM, congrats on being elected as a consul and I hope you prove your worthiness :) Harvici (talk) 15:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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 '''Attention:''' I prefer to keep discussions unfragmented. If you leave a comment for me here, I will most likely respond to it on this same page—''my talk page''—as an effort to keep the entire conversation in one place. By the same token, if ''I'' leave a comment on ''your talk page'', please respond to it ''there''. Remember, we can use our [[special:watchlist|watchlist]] to keep track of when responses are made. At the same time, feel free to send an alert to me on this page about a comment you have left elsewhere. And again, please do not delete discussions of my talk page, it is my own decision. <!-----Per WP:OWNTALK-----> Thanks!</div>
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-== User rights ==
+== Congratulations ==
+Greetings BrandomWM, congrats on being elected as a consul and I hope you prove your worthiness :) [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
-All advanced userrights have been stripped from you due to abuse of administration privileges. This was done based on a vote taken internally. You may only request this rights back by asking a '''consul''', and a vote is once again taken internally, after at least 3 months have passed. You have been given many chances on this wiki, and each chance has ended in identical situations. We will no longer be lenient with this anymore.
-On behalf of the consuls, Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] &#124; [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 21:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
-:: {{ping|Zppix}}I was under the impression that this was already the case. Does this signify a particular change that I've missed, or is it just a reminder/"even more the case"? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 21:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
-:::This change is more restrictive as it requires a vote between all consuls for Brandon to regain any form of advanced userright on this wiki. Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] &#124; [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 00:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
-:::: Like I said, I'm pretty sure this was already the case. BrandonWM was supposed to obtain consensus of consuls before requesting bureaucrat. They did so anyway in violation of their ban. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
-::::: Oh, this is for "any form of advanced userright", not just bureaucrat.  [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
-:::::: Is this supposed to supercede the previous TBAN or supplement it? BrandonWM has decided to edit the "request permissions" page again despite the previous ban prohibiting them from doing so, and them being notified of this countless times. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 07:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::::::I am not permitted to request permissions. However, I am free to edit the page for housekeeping purposes and to leave messages, I've never been told against that. The current ban is a ban on ''requesting permissions''. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 15:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::How does {{tq|Prohibition on editing TestWiki:Request permissions, which may be imposed by a partial block if breached;}} translate to "free to edit the page for housekeeping purposes and to leave messages"? As far as I know you are not supposed to be editing that page at all, and you have been reminded of it by at least three different people. What I was asking the user who added the restriction was whether your new one overrides your old one or not. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 17:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::::::::I've spoken to a consul already, and they've agreed with my assessment of the situation. If you have an issue, you are more than welcome to bring it up on my talk page, as you've done, but please do not revert my edits without consulting me first. The original restrictions were removed by Void as they were excessive, as again, consuls have pointed out to me and you, including Void himself. There's your answer. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 17:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::::::::: You are going in circles. As has been pointed out multiple times before, Void ''proposed'' removing the restrictions, but didn't remove it. In fact, [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=TestWiki:User_restrictions&diff=45969&oldid=42970 here] Void edited the page 10 minutes after you claim your restriction was removed, but they proceed to edit the page and keep the restriction there.
-:::::::::: And, if you did believe that the restrictions were excessive, the appropriate action would be to ask for removal, not just to continuously violate it. At this point, I personally would strongly oppose removing the restrictions because the fact that you keep violating them proves that they are necessary. Please don't edit the page again, because it is not fun. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 17:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::::: It also seems that you are going around your rights restriction by suggesting users offwiki to perform sysop actions. This needs to stop as well. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 17:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::::::<s>Well then, it's good that you have no say in the restrictions. Consuls are the arbiters of restrictions, ''not'' bureaucrats. I have no inclination to listen to you, as you've repeatedly acted in bad faith, ''and'' multiple consuls have backed up my position on this issue. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 01:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)</s>
-{{outdent|::::::::::::}}Several community members have asked me to look into this matter so I am here to settle this confusion. While perhaps Void ''proposed'' to remove the restrictions (I don't know where he commented this), he never did. BrandonWM is thus still under Doug's original sanction which was amended by Zppix to include an indefinite user rights ban so his edits to [[TestWiki:Request permissions]] are indeed in violation of the original sanction. However, as miscommunication seems to have played a role in this, I am inclined to not issue any further sanctions at the moment due to this misunderstanding. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 05:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
-::{{hidden ping|Agent Isai}} I'm not so sure. While I initially thought it was a miscommunication, it has been mentioned so many times both in the [[project:community portal#users_unblocking_themself|community portal]] that Void never said they were removed. In addition, the restriction was violated even ''before'' Void made the comment that BrandonWM claims it was removed in [[Special:PermanentLink/46167]].  Furthermore, the last time BrandonWM was blocked for violating the restriction, they decided to self-unblock, and the community [[Project:Community_portal#|found issue with that on the community portal]] and as [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=TestWiki:User_restrictions&diff=45969&oldid=42970 void edits the user restrictions page, keeping the restriction and not removing it]. While they were not reblocked despite the discussions's results because the discussion was stale, community consensus was that this was bad. While it may have initially been a miscommunication, now, it cannot possibly be. BrandonWM ''knows'' it is still in place, and that people near-unanimously disapprove, but continues to do it anyway.
-:: Moreover, I'm extremely concerned about the other parts of the issue here. For example, BrandonWM has also repeatedly claimed to have support that they do not, for example, they claim to have "received messages of support from other crats", despite [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrandonWM&action=history&offset=20220918235959&limit=2 no one other than themself commenting] between their [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=25100 block] and [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=25104 self-unblock], and right here on this very page where they claim to have "multiple consuls supporting them" even though no consul has publicly expressed that sentiment- in the discussion, all but one user agrees this is not okay, and that one was not a consul. Even if we assume that this happened in private, despite BrandonWM on multiple occasions claiming to have mystery people anonymously supporting them offwiki-- especially when there are only three active consuls, one of which publicly expressed issues with their behavior, another one of which removed their sysop and bureaucrat permissions and placed them under a topic ban, and the third one who I am currently replying to.
-:: But that's not even the worst part. I'm extremely offended where BrandonWM says I have {{tq|repeatedly acted in bad faith}} without any basis for this claim, which is without a doubt a MSCoC violation and should without a doubt be actioned seperately, regardless of the tban violation.
-:: So, what can Test Wiki, and Miraheze as a whole, do about the local and global violations here? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::I apologize for those comments, they have been retracted. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 05:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::In light of the above retraction of the comments, I strongly admonish BrandonWM to be careful with his commentary and to always [[w:WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and warn him that any possible future breach of this principle may result in a block. After also further speaking with him in private, it seems that a miscommunication occurred between him and another Consul which led to BrandonWM believing he was clear to edit the RfP page. I have clarified that that is not the case and have warned BrandonWM to make sure to abide by the conditions of his restrictions at all times. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 06:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
-== Editing other user's talk page comments ==
-It appears that [https://test.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=TestWiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=47613 here] you decided to make some unauthorized changes to my comments, both formatting I did not ask for, injection of new words and other formatting, and changing "to" to "do" in a way that altered the meaning of my sentence.
-Please stop. You've been asked I can't even count how many times to not edit other comments, so, let's finally stop. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 07:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-:Hi {{u|Naleksuh}}. That's my fault. It was one letter and I don't remember ever intending to switch up your sentence, so it must've been an accidental click. I apologize on that. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 15:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)