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:Well, this conversation seems to have been partially had on Discord/IRC, but I'll note what happened for record-keeping purposes. Functionaries are users authorized to carry out serious actions on a wiki, including blocking and making administrative decisions, ie. Meta sysops/bureaucrats and TestWiki consuls. As Void, Raidarr, and myself have now stated. I'm not sure why you feel the need to continue pressing a concept which has been debunked by countless users. In addition, you keep on pushing a narrative that is solely your own, without cause. If you want to have this objectively stupid discussion, sure. But your position has continuously been proven wrong by many users, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to continue. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 03:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
:: You don't seem to have addressed the purpose of this message at all. The issue is that there is no restriction on who can close an RfC, and for you to simply enact one does not make sense. There is no such rule, and I would not call it a "convention" either given that proposals on Community portal have been closed by anyone, and that consensus is against this RFC process. I am worried about using the functionary nomenclature to distract from this. As user Void once said, {{tq|An unwritten convention does not constitute policy. }}, though unfortunately you seem to be using their name to claim support for yourself. Please don't enact rules in this way, especially in obvious, clear-cut cases where conventions would apply even less. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 03:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
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"RfCs should not be closed by anyone other than functionaries unless there is a technical reason to do so, ie. already being implemented or cannot be implemented"
This is not documented anywhere. There has never been any such consensus and in fact people would likely be opposed to that as unnecessary bureaucracy, as is currently the case for Agent Isai's RFC proposal. In addition, "functionaries" refers to CheckUsers, Oversighters, and Stewards. This wiki has no local CheckUsers and Oversighters and Stewards generally stay out of local affairs unless need be. I really don't think you meant to say that no-one here, not even consuls, can close RFCs, so if you would like to clarify what you meant, now you can do so, though I will note that there is no policy on who can and cannot close RFCs, though I disagree with their closure in general so I haven't reverted your edit. So far, no consul has closed it and if this continues for a while I likely will. Naleksuh (talk) 02:42, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Well, this conversation seems to have been partially had on Discord/IRC, but I'll note what happened for record-keeping purposes. Functionaries are users authorized to carry out serious actions on a wiki, including blocking and making administrative decisions, ie. Meta sysops/bureaucrats and TestWiki consuls. As Void, Raidarr, and myself have now stated. I'm not sure why you feel the need to continue pressing a concept which has been debunked by countless users. In addition, you keep on pushing a narrative that is solely your own, without cause. If you want to have this objectively stupid discussion, sure. But your position has continuously been proven wrong by many users, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to continue. BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 03:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- You don't seem to have addressed the purpose of this message at all. The issue is that there is no restriction on who can close an RfC, and for you to simply enact one does not make sense. There is no such rule, and I would not call it a "convention" either given that proposals on Community portal have been closed by anyone, and that consensus is against this RFC process. I am worried about using the functionary nomenclature to distract from this. As user Void once said, An unwritten convention does not constitute policy. , though unfortunately you seem to be using their name to claim support for yourself. Please don't enact rules in this way, especially in obvious, clear-cut cases where conventions would apply even less. Naleksuh (talk) 03:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)