User talk:ApexAgunomu/Archive1

Regarding your recent actions

You recently changed your own bureaucrat right from temporary to indefinite, however you were explicitly given the right on a temporary basis, as was stated in your request. I would advise you to revert this action of your own accord. — Arcversin (talk) 23:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Bureaucrat permission

Hi ApexAgunomu,

I actually didn't realize you were granted the bureaucrat permission temporarily. Anyway, while your permission is still a probationary grant, subject to Consul review after at least thirty (30) calendar days, I've  made it indefinite to avoid these sort of slip ups requiring self-correction, which I'm very glad you did.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 00:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Creation of this page

Hi ApexAgunomu,

I have Consul creation protected this page, as I really want to help guide you to constructive editing. While it's good you did not use racist language in your tests, you should at least keep your language civil and clean. It's good you reverted your creating the page, though, but please do keep this in mind.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 01:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your desire to help me, I really do appreciate that. I will definitely mind my language here from now on. ApexAgunomu (talk) 05:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

About Main Page/ur

Hello, I want to know why have you deleted Main Page/ur in this action?

Plus, I have reverted your deletion of Sandbox, please don't forget to undelete your test! HeartsDo (talk) 14:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It was a test, I just didn't know how to restore the page. And I will remember to revert my tests. ApexAgunomu (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@ApexAgunomu: please head the warnings on your talk page. If you're edits do not get back in line with policy, you will loose your access. You should not be making uncivil comments and removing active restrictions. RhinosF1 (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Be careful

Hello, please stop write abusive comments after the word "Hi". Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 12:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You aren't going to stop so I've restored your block. RhinosF1 (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry for disregarding the warnings here and for continuing to use those bad insults. I definitely should have stopped when first told. Is there any way I can be unblocked sometime in the future and maybe become an admin again? (Not anytime soon, but maybe in a few months) ApexAgunomu (talk) 13:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@ApexAgunomu: Can you pop on IRC and ping me? RhinosF1 (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Sure. ApexAgunomu (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

From now on....

I will obey all the rules here and respond to and heed any warning I may get here on my talk page. ApexAgunomu (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back :) AlPaD (talk) 17:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. :) ApexAgunomu (talk) 17:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

April 2022

You have continued to make abusive comments on pages following your unblock on April 5, see [1] [2] [3] [4], even ignoring an abuse filter meant to prevent such edits. Please explain yourself. — Arcversin (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I thought that as long as I deleted thise pages afterwards and nobody saw them, it wouldn't be so bad. But I'll pay attention to the filter and not try to make those kinds of edits. ApexAgunomu (talk) 21:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't make that acceptable, as the comments are still abusive. It's totally fine for you to create and then quickly delete a page for testing purposes, but don't make abusive comments in the process. — Arcversin (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I will stay away from any rude comments here. ApexAgunomu (talk) 22:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

You did it again: [5]. I strongly concur with Dmehus that you should reinstate your previous self-imposed partial block from the various Talk namespaces, and I will update the abuse filter targeting such edits to be stricter. — Chrs (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Chrs, that's great. Thanks. The more we can guide ApexAgunomu, augmented by a targeted abuse filter, the better. Let me know you're done. I may create an abusefilter-restricted user group here, granted by Consuls, that would allow you to edit Consul-restricted abuse filters. Dmehus (talk) 14:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dmehus: The filter has been updated, and it should be far more effective at guidance. With regards to an abusefilter-restricted group, I can see the use of that, though I don't believe that this filter would become Consul-restricted. — Chrs (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Warning

Please don't make test edits in pages under Category:Non-test pages . Making gibberish edits in those pages may be viewed as vandalism and your account might be blocked to prevent disruption. Thanks Synoman Barris (talk) 12:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I won't edit non-test pages here. ApexAgunomu (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

ApexAgunomu, I would strongly suggest it might be helpful for you to partially block yourself from any namespaces where you think your edits might be viewed as disruptive. Basically, allow yourself to edit in User: namespace. If, after, say, two weeks straight of good test edits, you feel comfortable unblocking yourself, then do so. At that point, we'd likely feel comfortable granting you bureaucrat, where you have made a few useful contributions (i.e., granting permissions). Dmehus (talk) 14:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I do think the partial block might be good at least for now. And I will keep it in place for at least two weeks. Also, I had planned on reauesting bureaucrat on April 15. I'm guessing I should wait longer to do that now, right? ApexAgunomu (talk) 14:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

That's probably a good idea also, in light of recent events. I'd say two weeks from the time you partially block yourself from the recommended namespaces. Dmehus (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I have made the block, and if anyone feels it might be good to modify it in any way, go ahead-I won't object. ApexAgunomu (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Because the edits were in the namespace "TestWiki" I thought it would be good to block you from there. If it is wrong you can undo it. Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

No, I think that was a good choice you made. Thanks for letting me know. Like I said earlier, if anyone feels the need to change the length or add namespaces to this block, please feel free. I do want to be a good admin (and bureaucrat) here, so I appreciate any guidance and help others offer me, and I will do my best to take it all seriously. ApexAgunomu (talk) 17:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply and understanding :) AlPaD (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Abuse filter advise

Just so you know, the abuse filter variable page_title doesn't include the page namespace (for example, User), if you want that, you need page_prefixedtitle. However, it's a good idea to instead filter by using page_namespace along with page_title, which is more efficient. — Chrs (talk) 00:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thank you so much! I really appreciate the guidance! ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 00:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I got the filter to work! ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Non-test pages

Hello! Please stop edits like this, because TestWiki:Community portal isn't test page. Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 12:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I won't do that again. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, thank you! AlPaD (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 days as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make non-destructive tests after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism, spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks, legal threats; and repeated, blatant violations of our policies will not be tolerated. You can request an unblock by placing {{Unblock|reason}} on your talkpage. Any patrolling Consul will shortly get to you.

Synoman Barris (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

After multiple warnings you still continue deleting translation units of important non-test page and making test edits to non test pages . I have therefore blocked you for three days awaiting consul action. Feel free to request an unblock with the template above.Cheers --Synoman Barris (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Synoman, first I removed your block because I think any nontest blocks should be placed by consuls. I will try to reach one of them via IRC to come look at this. Second, I restored that translation I deleted so I didn't think that was a big issue. Third, I will not edit non-test pages any more. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 09:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @ApexAgunomu and Synoman Barris: I don't think this situation has been handled well be either of you. There's some annoying ignorance of past warnings and removing of a block that you should have asked a consul about from ApexAgunomu but then I'm not convinced the block of someone actively being monitored by consuls was an action needed to prevent immediate disruption given no effort to reach a consul or seek advice. I'm going to wait for a second consul opinion but I'm between a rock and a hard place of whether to put any sanctions in place as both have you have done wrong. RhinosF1 (talk) 10:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I have spoken to @HeartsDo: on IRC and am going to follow up now as I think this will be the best solution.

• The block placed by Synoman is not upheld and therefore overturned and treated as non-existent.
• @ApexAgunomu: is restricted indefinitely as a separate response to ignoring warnings and editing on non-test pages to their own userspace. They are reminded that they should not remove thier own blocks. This prohibits any non-test actions. Admin will remain but they will not be allowed 'crat while this is in effect.
• @Synoman Barris: is warned about their usage of the admin tool. They are reminded that if a consul action is in place. They should consult with consuls before overriding it unless it is an emergency and not doing so would cause damage to the project. Consuls should have been easily re-eachable in this case within a reasonable time and the edit-rate was fairly low.

This case is being watched very closely by the consul team and this action should only be reviewed by them.

RhinosF1 (talk) 10:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@RhinosF1: when is the soonest I can appeal my restriction? ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

10 days assuming compliance with it RhinosF1 (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Restriction Amendment Idea

@RhinosF1, @Reception123, or @Dmehus, I was just wondering if maybe my restriction can amended to say that I simply can't edit non-test pages here. I feel that that would be sufficient to keep me out of trouble here. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 14:30, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

ApexAgunomu, that was my idea that I expressed to you on IRC in the #miraheze-testwiki channel. It would likely last for at least a month or two months, though, to ensure you can follow it. I still wouldn't be comfortable restoring your bureaucrat bit before the end of April, though, unless you can obtain the support of at least two other non-Consul active community members, or another Consul. Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that sounds good with me. So can I now start editing other places besides just my userspace? ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 15:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I mean, you already have been, and no one's said anything, so it probably seems fine. I'd suggest making your tests specific to specific special test pages, though. If adding gibberish, please use your userspace sandbox or the community sandbox, though, okay? Dmehus (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep the gibberish limited to the sandboxes. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:25, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, I tried to close a discussion on your Testwiki.wiki talk page, because I think the issue is resolved. However, someone reversed it and said I shouldn't close discussions. I apologize if I did the wrong thing there. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with this. You've been sensible enough. That's kinda why I wasn't pushing on being about of your user space. I was treating it as advice more to help you. RhinosF1 (talk) 10:23, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep being sensible in my edits here. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 10:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Your recent test block

Please note that, as per the Blocking policy and Testing policy, test blocks should generally not be performed on other users without their permission. I would strongly advise you against performing test blocks on real users without seeking their permission. — Chrs (talk) 23:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

To be clear, I would generally concur with this, though we are flexible on this, but given the current appeal of their restriction, it's perhaps not the best move. I personally don't mind, as it was less than five minutes and was clearly a marked test block. We may want to create a {{Users opted in to be blocked for testing purposes}} template or something. Dmehus (talk) 23:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought we were allowed to block other users for under two hours, but as that isn't the best thing, I'll just block myself for tests. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 23:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

It does say that in TestWiki:Blocking policy, and it's fine, but it also says you should leave a note on their user talk page explaining your tests. In any case, it's entirely up to you. I don't mind you blocking me, but just maybe avoid the same block test over and over. :) Dmehus (talk) 23:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I'll be more careful with test blocks.

On a different note, would anyone know how to restore this page I deleted as a test? I don't know how to set up translations.

https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/fr&action=edit&redlink=1 ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 23:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Translations are bit difficult to restore, so it's good you didn't just undelete it. It generally involves importing translation units. Admittedly, this is the one area of the Translate extension I know very little about, but perhaps HeartsDo can assist? Dmehus (talk) 23:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Note to Myself

Don't do admin tests I don't know how to revert!!! (Like deleting tramslations) ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

About your recent actions

Hello,

Stop deleting translation pages on non-tests pages (+ I see that you have recreate translation pages for "scn" without restoring revisons, don't do that again too! If you just want to correct something, do it by editing).

Finally, don't try to bypass your filter like you did here.

PS: I have done with restoring all the translation pages. Thanks for the ping Dmehus. HeartsDo (talk) 17:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll stay away from deleting translation pages here. I also won't try to bypass the filter anymore. Thanks for restoring everything. ApexAgunomu (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Be careful

Hello, please don't write comments like this and pages of namespace "TestWiki" are Non-test pages. Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 12:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)