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== Requests for Comment == |
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Hi everyone. Due to the recent influx of Requests for Comment here on TestWiki, I have created a separate page for them at [[TestWiki:Requests for Comment]]. I have also moved two RfCs from here to there. You are all invited to comment on them, they are [[TestWiki:Requests for Comment/Proposals]] (proposed by Naleksuh) and [[TestWiki:Requests for Comment/Amending Consul policy]] (proposed by BrandonWM). Thank you! [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 07:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== AWB testing page == |
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: First off, two is not an "influx". Second, you shouldn't have just started moving other people's comments without a discussion or at least a delay. Maybe I'll move your comment to [[Talk:Rollback test]] next? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) |
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::If it were on topic for the page and are more appropriate for there, yes, are they though? No. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 16:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Improvements to Test Wiki == |
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Hello an AWB testing page would be really useful.--[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] ([[User talk:Angelo Pisani|talk]]) 18:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. |
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::This RfC is closed as follows: |
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::Proposal 1 - Unsuccessful. |
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::Proposal 2 - Unsuccessful by virtue of Meta RfC being unenforceable. |
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::Proposal 3 - Already done so moot. |
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::Proposal 4 - No real discussion occured so unsuccessful. |
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::Proposal 5 - This does not really define what any such logo to replace the current logo would look like so unsuccessful. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 04:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello everyone. These are some proposals I have thought about for a while, and some people also discussed off-wiki. Discuss if you agree with them or not. |
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:[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] Sure, I can see a use case for that. Please feel free to create [[AutoWikiBrowser test]] as the title for the page, then categorize it with [[:Category:Special test pages]]. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:: @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]{{done}}--[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] ([[User talk:Angelo Pisani|talk]]) 19:30, 22 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] That's great. Thank you. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::: PS the page must be added [[TestWiki:Testing pages|here]].--[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] ([[User talk:Angelo Pisani|talk]]) 13:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{Reply to|Angelo Pisani}} {{Done|[[Special:Diff/36551|Done]]}}. --[[User:Brewster239|<span style="color:#024d80;">Brewster239</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Brewster239|<span style="color:#024d80;">T</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brewster239|<span style="color:#024d80;">C</span>]])</sup> 14:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::: Thank you. I've updated the japanese version too.--[[User:Angelo Pisani|Angelo Pisani]] ([[User talk:Angelo Pisani|talk]]) 15:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC) |
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=== Proposal 1: Change the domain of test wiki from publictestwiki.com to test.miraheze.org === |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-05-23 == |
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Reasoning: I find custom domains to not work well and have issues, and the publictestwiki.com domain in particular is a clunky one. It also disconnects the wiki from Miraheze. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Support (1) ==== |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2021-05-{{#expr: 23+7}}''' if they do not return to activity: |
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#{{Support|strong}} Absolutely. No clue why a domain that wasn't .miraheze.org was used. This is a Miraheze project, it should be treated as such. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|Avengium}}</s> now [[Special:Permalink/36558|active]] |
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#: Well, it isn't officially (see proposal 2 + Agent Isai's Meta RfC). [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 17:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|Cortex}} |
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#{{Support}} It's better as link. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 21:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|FunctionalMetatable}} |
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# [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|JavaHurricane}} |
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#{{Support}} [[w:sunk cost fallacy]] isn't a good reason to keep the domain. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|Kepler-1229b}} |
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#{{Support}} I support the inversion as proposed by Naleksuh for the existing domain to prevent breakages with existing links. If the intent (as I read it from context) is no longer to maintain a stand-alone non-miraheze instance for wiki testing, we should phase out discrete domains where it isn't relevant. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 03:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|LukeSkywalker26}} |
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#:good idea [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 04:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|MdsShakil}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/36645|active]] |
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#{{Support}} as it can work better technically (it will be recognized as a Miraheze domain by software) and also indicate that this is a Miraheze project. |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|Scian}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/36545|active]] |
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* {{RFP/User|Snowie}} |
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==== Abstain (1) ==== |
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* {{RFP/User|SoyokoAnis}} |
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* {{RFP/User|VfB Vereinspolitik}} |
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==== Oppose (1) ==== |
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* {{RFP/User|Yahya}} |
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# {{Oppose}} The timing of this proposal is quite unfortunate since the domain was just renewed and paid for a few days ago. I don't believe wasting money is a good idea and we've had this domain for 7.5 years now so another year wouldn't hurt. Otherwise this discussion was had at launch and it was thought that it would be more appealing to have a custom domain rather than just have "test.miraheze.org" which could appear as just being a test wiki in the sense of sysadmins testing stuff, kind of like what Beta is. Either way, if this would be done I'd suggest at least waiting till the domain expiry so the money wasn't spent for nothing. As for claims that custom domains "don't work well", I haven't encountered any issues with domains so I'm not sure where that's coming from. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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* {{RFP/User|开炸弹车}} |
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#: But you supported test wiki becoming an official Miraheze project. That can't happen if the domain doesn't move to Miraheze. As for paying for the domain, this is a slightly more valid issue, however, the flipside is that the domain was renewed without consensus to do so, so they essentially took a gamble on spending their own money. So, do you oppose changing the domain, or do you support it becoming a Miraheze project? It can't be both. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:: Also, the money wouldn't be "spent for nothing" because the redirect would still work but in reverse. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::Regarding consensus to renew the domain, the fact that it's been renewed each year during 7 years before means that there was implicit consensus to renew it again given the community didn't initiate these proposals before. It wouldn't make sense to have to ask every year if the community agrees to renew the domain again, I'm almost certain that no other wiki with a custom domain does this. As for the official project argument, having a custom domain doesn't mean that it can't be an official project in my opinion. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 17:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::: It does, because then it's not on a Miraheze domain. I think other people pointed this out on IRC before. Imagine our list of projects being dev.miraheze.org, commons.miraheze.org, meta.miraheze.org, publictestwiki.com... what absurdity that would be. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:[[w:sunk cost fallacy]] [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Oppose}} per [[User:Reception123|Reception123]], but also because (a) this is a solution in search of a problem and because (b) the decision on the primary web address for the wiki is in scope of [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consuls]]. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:# Per Reception123 is invalid per [[w:sunk cost fallacy]]. |
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#:# It is not a solution to a problem. It is an enhancement to expand Miraheze's official projects. That's not the same as a solution. |
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#:# Then let's summon the Consuls to vote as well. Also, do you have a source for that? |
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#:[[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::I didn't say the expended cost on the domain was something with which I specifically agreed. The issue is that the proponent has proposed that the custom domain is a problem when it is. As Reception123 articulated, I see no reason why we should not allow officially community-sanctioned wikis to have custom domains. There's also the issue with the Betaheze wikis used for system administrator testing. Those used to be called Test 2 Wiki, Test 3 Wiki, and so forth. Their subdomains currently redirect to Betaheze, which is a problem. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::: That's different because that's a technical limitation. You're trying to say that this should be a seperate domain by design. A Miraheze project should be on a Miraheze domain. Could you seriously imagine something like: |
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#:::: Here's our list of projects: |
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#:::: dev.miraheze.org |
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#:::: commons.miraheze.org |
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#:::: meta.miraheze.org |
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#:::: publictestwiki.com |
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#::: That's absurd. I also don't like that domain in general, and have thought it should be removed even before the official-izing, this just gives it even more of a reason. And yes, all of Reception123's points have been addressed by supporters, so opposing per those doesn't make much sense unless you have something new to say, [[:w:WP:VOTE|polling is not a substitute for discussion]]. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{Oppose|strong}} per Reception and that I prefer the custom domain as it denotes it even more as a public space for testing Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] | [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 17:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#:What do you mean by per Reception? Reception's argument is a [[w:sunk cost fallacy|sunk cost fallacy]], you haven't explained why it's correct. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 19:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#:: There are multiple issues with it, not just that. But yes, everything Reception123 has said has already been addressed by multiple people. Discussions are not votes, so "oppose per Reception123" without adding new information is not helpful. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#::: In addition, many of the supports to making test wiki an official project were only done on the condition that the custom domain was removed, so to make it an official project without removing the custom domain would wrong these users. In addition, the custom domain is not controlled by Miraheze. Since it looks like there is pretty much all there is to say, consensus continues to form here and on Meta, and opposers are just going in circles I would like this request to be closed soon and the domain updated [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Oppose}} per above. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 20:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#:So, "per above" is a [[w:sunk cost fallacy|sunk cost fallacy]]. Have you considered responding to that concern yet? [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 06:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Oppose}} After having giving this a lot of thought, and weighing both oppositions and supports, I have decided to oppose this proposal. I know I previously stated on the metawiki RfC that I would be against it keeping a custom domain, if it became official, however after having carefully weighed all sides to thus argument, my opinion on the matter as slightly swayed to the point of supporting keeping the custom domain. A custom domain for the test wiki, such as the current, publictestwiki.com, helps to distinguish it from other similar wikis, such as potential SRE test wikis (even though I know we don't have any on the miraheze.org domain, others wont be so aware, and reverting to test.miraheze.org brings this possible confusion to light). This distinction gives the test wiki a unique identity and makes it stand out as a separate entity. Additionally, having a custom domain allows the test wiki to be easily recognisable and memorable, which can be especially useful for users who need to frequently access it. As for the point of where it becomes inconsistent when listing the official wikis, this is not necessarily true. It can still be advertised as an official wiki like test.miraheze.org (and [[mh:test|test]] still uses test.miraheze.org) I do not see why we would list it as an official wiki as publictestwiki.com, for all official wiki advertising of the domain, it would still be done as test.miraheze.org. This was a difficult decision to oppose, but for the reasons I have articulated, I am. [[User:Universal Omega|Universal Omega]] ([[User talk:Universal Omega|talk]]) 04:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#: The issue though is that test.miraheze.org usually redirects to publictestwiki.com when a MediaWiki redirect is taking place, though if it's a valid page both links will work. Therefore, the issue would be an official wiki on the publictestwiki.com domain (which also isn't a Miraheze-controlled domain). [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#:Then change the URL to something like publictesting.miraheze.org or whatever. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 06:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Oppose}} Originally, I wasn't going to vote on this proposal, but after looking at it and carefully considering the supporting and opposing arguments, I've decided to oppose, mainly for two reasons: 1) since the RfC on Meta to make TestWiki an official project failed on the basis of there being no "official" Miraheze projects, there is no reason to change the domain to "test.miraheze.org", which was the whole point of the proposal to remove the custom domain; 2) since the custom domain has been around for so long, it's been linked to a lot, and is even linked in one of the reasons for declining wiki requests. Removing it would leave two options: redirect it to "test.miraheze.org" and continue renewing the domain, which would not save any money, or redirect it to "test.miraheze.org" and let the custom domain expire, which would break a lot of old links and potentially risk having the custom domain being acquired and used for malicious purposes. Additionally, some users agree that the timing of this proposal was poor, since this proposal was started around the time the custom domain was renewed again, but there are arguments against that claim. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 03:26, 25 February 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Comments (1) ==== |
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# Forgive me if this was already covered but wouldn't it be possible for the domain to be placed under Board/Miraheze control, thus making it an official domain and minimizing the issue? The fact that testwiki primarily functions for the Miraheze platform is a good reason otherwise to me for making it test.miraheze.org (consistency with other satellite projects) but if we have a cool domain that people like then this would seem to be a decent compromise. --[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] ([[User talk:Raidarr|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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=== Proposal 2: Make TestWiki an "official" Miraheze project === |
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{{discussion top|{{Not Done|Unsuccessful}}, as elaborated by John on Meta. This proposal would only have been successful if both had been passed, which is not the case. As a result, this proposal is redundant. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 03:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Not sure if this needs to be discussed on Meta, but a good idea for 1) what is already defacto the case 2) makes it easier to point people requesting test wikis here. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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'''MEMO FOR CLOSING STEWARD/CONSUL:''' This section of the RfC serves as an endorsement of an RfC currently underway on [[meta:RfC|Meta]]. Unless both this proposal and the proposal on Meta {{done|pass}}, the proposal would not be implemented. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 07:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Support (2) ==== |
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#{{Support|strong}} I believe this is already a thing, so this move should just be for procedural purposes. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{Support}} per RfC on Meta. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 17:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Support}} per RfC on Meta. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{Support|Strong}} Per above. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 21:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{support}} per above. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 00:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{support}} good idea, same as others, also maybe the support !vote count needs to be fixed, seems wrong. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{support}} reiterating my support here. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 03:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{Support}} per Agent and Reception. Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] | [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 17:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Abstain (2) ==== |
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==== Oppose (2) ==== |
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==== Comments (2) ==== |
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{{discussion bottom}} |
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=== Proposal 3: Remove inactivity exemptions === |
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{{discussion top|1={{Done|Successful}} Agent Isai has implemented this proposal already, as a result this discussion is moot. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:25, 20 January 2023 (UTC)}} |
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The majority of them are not granted for great reasons (in particular, just being a consul is not a good reason, and arguably inactivity should apply '''more''' to consuls than to sysops/bureaucrats). I would be open to keeping one or two of them but that is all. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Support (3) ==== |
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#{{Support|strong}} There's not really a point for all them exemptions, I agree with [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]]. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Abstain (3) ==== |
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==== Oppose (3) ==== |
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==== Comments (3) ==== |
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{{discussion bottom}} |
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=== Proposal 4: Test out proxy blocking here === |
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This was discussed before but discussion fizzled out. This is one possible solution to the spam problem on test wiki. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Support (4) ==== |
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#<s>{{Support}} This seems reasonable, it is a <i>test</i> wiki after all. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)</s> |
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==== Abstain (4) ==== |
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==== Oppose (4) ==== |
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==== Comments (4) ==== |
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#We do want to implement StopForumSpam globally after the 1.39 update, as WMF does want to do eventually, so it may be best to also see how that pans out first. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 17:06, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# As I've said before, any implementation where Stewards/GS can't verify which IPs are blocked (and be able to generate such a list ourselves) it wouldn't be acceptable. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:{{hidden ping|Agent Isai}}{{hidden ping|Reception123}}As the primary user involved in this proxy-blocking idea is you, {{ping|Naleksuh}} what would be your preferred format for how this proxy blocking would work on TestWiki? If it's a larger discussion, perhaps it should be a separate RfC, and if there's some level of disagreement on how the whole thing would shake out, an advisory post could be made on the Meta community noticeboard to see what the Miraheze community thinks about the proposal. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 18:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::The main idea would be that any list of IPs would have to be able to be generated by Stewards with set parameters. As in, we wouldn't accept a large list of IPs presented by a non-Steward user where we have no way of verifying exactly how it was generated and the possibility of false positives. Any mass-blockings should also be coordinated with SRE to avoid issues such as the CVTbot which happened yesterday. I'm only referring to the global level of course, since "test out here" implies that it's eventually meant to apply globally.[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:47, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::: <s>Stewards have no role in test wiki. It's not their concern what local blocks are placed here. The only hold-up I see is the CVTbot related issue. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)</s> |
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#::: Looks like there is an edit conflict. I still don't see why exactly the actions of one person become the responsibility of an independent group of individuals (i.e. there is no "collection of stewards"). [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::::It could be one Steward but my point is the responsibility to block IPs belongs to Stewards and Global Sysops and at least speaking for myself I can't just accept a list if I can't confirm how it was generated. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 17:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::::: OK, then why don't you confirm the list then? Or maybe I will take myself over to RfGR. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 21:43, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::::::It'd be extremely tedious to do that. I'd rather we let SFS handle the bulk of it. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 02:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::::::One point about the [[mw:Extension:StopForumSpam|StopForumSpam]] extension. Unless something's changed, my understanding is the IP ranges need to be regularly updated. One of the things on my to-do list, when I was a [[m:Stewards|Steward]], was to create a [[m:Tech:Phabricator|Phabricator]] task to request that we set up a script on a cron to regularly update the list of blacklisted IPs. But yes, I agree that StopForumSpam is the ideal way to handle this. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:06, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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=== Proposal 5: Change test wiki logo === |
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This was not something I personally thought about, but other people discussed. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Support (5) ==== |
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#{{Support|strong}} Would be nice, the old logo is quite outdated. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 16:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#: I thought about it and this proposal can't really go anywhere. What happens if this proposal is successful but there's no logo to change it to? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 07:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::{{ping|Naleksuh}} CosmicAlpha is currently developing a new logo for TestWiki. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 17:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::{{ping|BrandonWM}}{{hidden ping|Universal Omega}} Well, I would like to see it before I !vote. What if I prefer the current one? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::::{{ping|Naleksuh}} Of course. I'm not sure if CosmicAlpha has gotten around to creating the logo yet, I know he's extremely busy, what with the impending MediaWiki 1.39 update in a few hours and such. After that is complete, I can try and follow up with him, though he's already pinged here so I suppose he'll see it regardless in a bit. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 18:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{Support}} but only if I like the new logo. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 19:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Abstain (5) ==== |
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# {{Abstain}} If someone thinks they can design a better version I've got nothing against that, but at the same time I do like the current one. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{Abstain}} I don't like carte blanche. I will look at the logo that will be changed and make a decision. [[User:Syunsyunminmin|Syunsyunminmin]] ([[User talk:Syunsyunminmin|talk]]) 18:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Oppose (5) ==== |
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# {{Oppose}} for a couple reasons. Firstly, if one proposes to update the logo, the new logo, or a series of logos, should be presented for discussion. Second, while this logo is basic, it's sort of grown on TestWiki over the past seven 7 years or so, and I think everyone's gotten to know it. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:: The new logo would be presented for discussion, as far as I'm aware. |
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#:: You "think" so? Is there any evidence that a significant number of people would be unhappy with the change? [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 03:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:: I do agree that a proposal to change the logo without a new logo is kind of silly, and also impossible (what happens if it passes, but there's no logo to change to?). And I am kind of a status quo person. But, I don't think it's that big a deal and isn't super awesome. If MediaWiki can change their logo after 17 years of having the same one, why not Test Wiki in only 7? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::And I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, but as you say, without one or more logos, or graphical logo ideas for inspiration, around which to have a discussion, this is a case of [[wikt:put the cart before the horse|putting the proverbial cart before the horse]], I'm afraid. :) [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#::::The proposal is that we design a new logo. The proposal is not to change the logo to X. [[User:Collei|Collei]] ([[User talk:Collei|talk]]) 06:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC) |
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#::: [edit conflict] Actually, I thought about it and I'm not sure that's so silly after all. It's avoiding the repeat of the reCAPTCHA problem. People couldn't settle on a replacement for reCAPTCHA, and one SRE member took that as evidence that everyone was fine with reCAPTCHA, even though many people had spoken out with problems about it and made it clear that some sort of change should happen. People also opposed hCaptcha for having the same problem as reCAPTCHA, which that user was trying to claim didn't exist. So, it's not a bad idea to have a discussion of this, just to see if people would like a change. If there was a new logo, people might oppose just because "I would like a change but not to that". So, this tells us if people want a change, or not. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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#:::: Edit conflict update: This is an amendment to my own previous comment, not a reply to Dmehus. The cart thing makes no sense. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 05:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC) |
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# {{oppose}} to a vote of change for change's sake. If a specific improvement comes along, by all means. If people are interested in brainstorming, they're free to do so for its own sake irrespective of this. --[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] ([[User talk:Raidarr|talk]]) 20:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Comments (5) ==== |
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== Proposed new TestWiki logo (from above RfC discussion) == |
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The RfC for a new logo was recently closed with the rational: ''This does not really define what any such logo to replace the current logo would look like so unsuccessful.'' I personally liked the previous logo, but just thought it needed a little updating. Please voice your opinion on this logo that I have made. [[User:LC Developer|LC Developer]] ([[User talk:LC Developer|talk]]) |
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[[File:TestWikiProposedLogo.png|400px|center]] |
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=== Voting: === |
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#{{strong support|Support as nominator}} [[User:LC Developer|LC Developer]] ([[User talk:LC Developer|talk]]) 12:45, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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#:{{support}} [[User:Atom studying itself|Atom studying itself]] ([[User talk:Atom studying itself|talk]]) 13:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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#{{support}} --'''[[User:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">78Meow</span>]]''' ('''[[User talk:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">Talk</span>]]''') 11:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC) |
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#:@[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] --'''''[[User:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">78Meow</span>]]''''' ('''[[User talk:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">Talk</span>]]''') 10:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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#{{support}} [[User:JustaUsername|JustaUsername]] ([[User talk:JustaUsername|talk]]) 03:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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#{{support}} [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 02:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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=== Comments: === |
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{{comment}} If anyone has any suggestions for how the logo can be improved,(minor changes, not fundamental design changes) please place them below. [[User:LC Developer|LC Developer]] ([[User talk:LC Developer|talk]]) 17:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Configure the text part like the original logo? [[User:Atom studying itself|Atom studying itself]] ([[User talk:Atom studying itself|talk]]) 10:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2023-03-20 == |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2023-03-27''' if they do not return to activity, pursuant to the Inactivity policy: |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|1108-Kiju}}</s> Active since then, per reply |
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* {{RFP/User|50829!}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Ahecht}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Artillect}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Aspallar}} |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|Avengium}}</s> Requested [[Special:Diff/49163|removal]] |
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* {{RFP/User|CECBowlingGreen}} |
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* {{RFP/User|DarkMatterMan4500}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Davidvia}} |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|Lolkikmoddi}}</s> |
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* {{RFP/User|QWERASDF}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Rocielshinonome}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Sai10ukazuki}} |
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* {{RFP/User|Silicona}} |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|ZI Jony}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/49161|active]]. |
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* {{RFP/User|沈澄心}} |
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* {{RFP/User|行雲流水}} |
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For the Consuls,<br /> [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 05:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Request retention of rights. --[[User:1108-Kiju|1108-Kiju]] ([[User talk:1108-Kiju|talk]]) 06:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{Done}} [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 13:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Can I begin removing the rights of inactive users? Or can you? [[User:LC Developer|LC Developer]] ([[User talk:LC Developer|talk]]) 23:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Only consuls are permitted to as far as I am aware. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 02:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:All users except 50829! and Thingofme, and those who are now active, have been removed. [[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> 16:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Please enable translation == |
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Please enable translation of [[TestWiki:Consuls]].--[[User:1108-Kiju|1108-Kiju]] ([[User talk:1108-Kiju|talk]]) 06:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Syunsyunminmin/TestWiki:Consuls|Here]] are the translation tags that might be expected. [[User:Syunsyunminmin|Syunsyunminmin]] ([[User talk:Syunsyunminmin|talk]]) 17:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Is it ok to upload a file in this wiki (for testing) and then deleting it or request deletion of it after testing? == |
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Hi. :) Is it ok to upload a file in this wiki (for testing) and then deleting it or request deletion of it after testing? [[User:Mat333o|Mat333o]] ([[User talk:Mat333o|talk]]) 21:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC) |
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: Sure, there have been tests of file uploads before. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the response, but what if the file is copyrighted? The file that I want to upload for testing is the cover of a [[W:Single (music)|single]]. [[User:Mat333o|Mat333o]] ([[User talk:Mat333o|talk]]) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Request for Consul == |
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::{{Not Done}} Per all opposes, this is [[w:WP:TOOSOON|too soon]] and [[w:WP:SNOW|doesn't have a chance]] of passing. User is invited to contribute more to Miraheze, and one day may re-request these rights. Today is not that day, but that is not to say that day will never come. Just not today. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 04:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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I would like to nominate myself for Consul [[User:AirmanKitten203|AirmanKitten203]] ([[User talk:AirmanKitten203|talk]]) 15:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{oppose|Strong}}. You have 35 contributions, most in your userspace. You have granted few to no permissions and you aren't very active. You have also removed rights from a user that was inactive, even though only consuls should do so. I think there is a need for consuls, but we aren't this desperate. I would become more active, grant more permissions, and get more edits for a few months before requesting. I have also noticed you are a hat-collecter crosswiki and I think this shows that. You have also not given a reason for wanting consul rights or why you are qualified. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 15:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::I also cannot support a user that forgot to sign or punctuate their nomination statement. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 21:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I would note that forgetting signatures is a common thing, I forget to do so all the time, so that's not really a big deal. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 03:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I forget too, but if you want to nominate yourself for a position as trustworthy as consul, please sign your statement. @[[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]]: The signing is minor compared to the other issues I have described above. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 10:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:You must demonstrate activity for at least 6 months. '''Oppose'''. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 21:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{Oppose|strong}} Per the above. Will be closing as such per [[w:WP:SNOW|WP:SNOW]]. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 04:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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==Inactive Rights Removal - 2023-05-17== |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2023-05-24''' if they do not return to activity: |
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*{{RFP/User|Ahecht}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Alidonis}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Ameisenigel}}</s> |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Blad}}</s> |
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*{{RFP/User|Buehl106}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Dimpizzy}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Hoof Hearted}}</s> [[Special:Diff/51555|now active]] |
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*{{RFP/User|Revival}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|SD hehua}}</s> |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Tali64³}}</s> |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Ugochimobi}}</s> |
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:[[User:Agent Isai|<span style="color:skyblue">'''Agent</span><span style="color:lime;" > Isai'''</span>]] <sup>[[m:User talk:Agent Isai|<span style="color:orange;">'''Talk to me!'''</span>]]</sup> |
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:[[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) |
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::Striking {{RFP/User|Ameisenigel}} as now active. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 17:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:I would like to keep my permissions, thanks. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 12:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Wordmark == |
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::{{done}}. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 13:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Hi, I would also like to retain my permissions. Is it possible to be made exempt from inactivity rules please? Regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] ([[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk]]) 17:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{Done|[[Special:Diff/51558|Done]]}}. By your act of [[Special:Diff/51555|replying]], you are now active. Given your activity level, as well as your rationale, or lack thereof, I do not see a compelling ''need'' for an inactivity [[TestWiki:Inactivity/Exceptions|exception]] as you can just make one edit. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Kindly keep my perm. Thanks. [[User:Ugochimobi|Ugochimobi]] ([[User talk:Ugochimobi|talk]]) 09:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::{{done}}. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 11:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I'd also like to keep my administrator permissions for now. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 03:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::{{done}}. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 15:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{Done|Rights removed from six (6) users}}. One by Agent Isai awhile ago; five by me today. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC) |
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I propose that we use the following as our new wordmark. What does people think? {{clear}} [[File:TestWikiWordmarkMockup.png]] {{clear}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 20:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC) |
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::There are not many participants in this discussion, but also no one in opposition, either, and [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] has been a long-term, regular, always active, and trusted contributor to '''Public Test Wiki'''. As well, they've confirmed their Wikimedia, Test Wiki, The Test Wiki, and other user accounts, so closing as '''successful'''. Congratulations, and welcome to the [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] team. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] for Consul == |
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:This is so small, and our logo already includes the words "Public Test Wiki." I'm not certain we ''need'' this here. I propose we just have the space allocated for the wordmark in New Vector be whitespace instead. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:This is too small [[user:MdsShakil|–'''<span style="background:"><font color="red">Shakil</font></span>''']]<sup>[[user talk:MdsShakil| (talk)]]</sup> 08:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello MacFan4000, I would like to say that the proposed wordmark is small and, at least to me, it seems it's width is more than its height. And well that's not an issue.<br /> |
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:I can't read what is written on the two sides of the triangle. It looks like it's pixels has broken and the current one seems to be more clearer. Thanks:) [[User:Mazzaz|Mazzaz]] ([[User talk:Mazzaz|talk]]) 05:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello Public Test Wiki Community! I am here today to nominate a highly qualified user, AlPaD, for consulship. Not only are they one of the most active users on the wiki, but they are extremely helpful in granting permissions and conversing with newer users on their talk page. Above all, they are always very kind and respectful to other users. There is also a desperate need for another consul. Most of our consuls haven't edited in at least a month, some many months. Zppix is the only one who has, and one user can't run a wiki of this size alone. That's where AlPaD comes in, so I hope you will join my in supporting AlPaD for consul. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 15:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-06-24 == |
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:''Candidate, please indicate your acceptance here:''I accepted, many thanks {{Ping|Globe}}. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC) |
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=== Questions: === |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2021-07-01''' if they do not return to activity: |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|Ameisenigel}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/37381|active]] |
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* {{support}} as nominator. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 15:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC) |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|C.Syde65}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/37383|active]] |
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== Closure of consul vote with no input... == |
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Hey @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]], closure of a Consul election in just under a week with no input from anyone beyond the original nominator seems a bit... unorthodox. I only just happened to see the request today, in fact. |
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* {{RFP/User|Rowe Wilson Frederisk Holme}} |
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Admittedly I'm not the closest follower of testwiki history, but looking through archives I can't find any other example of comparably brisk/limited input handling for advanced rights aside from speedy closures due to unanimous opposition. |
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Is there a particular policy/precedent you're using in making this close? |
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[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 06:05, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:I'd also like to see the closure overturned. I don't believe other consuls were notified, there was no site notice, etc. |
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:I don't think a lack of response can be assumed consensus. |
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:I'm also not convinced had I had the opportunity to vote that I would have supported. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 06:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::I too would like to see this overturned, this was a unilateral decision that was decided by a single person with no input from other consuls at all. Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] | [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 06:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Hello! I'd like to thank you all for your input, about closing I'd like to say that whether the proposal is reopened or not and whether I'm consul or not in the end I'll continue to help out on TestWiki and improve my flaws. Even if the closure of the proposal is not reverted, I would like to hear your opinion, even informally, on whether I should become a consul and what I should correct. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I agree with @[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] that a more of informal approach should occur next. I’m not sure why all 3 of you are waiting till a few hours after closing to bring this up, when you should’ve voted originally. I’ve messaged @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] on Discord informing him of this discussion. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::As mentioned, I literally just found out this existed yesterday when I came back into cell reception. It's a holiday weekend for many in the US, so several folks in the conversation may have been outside internet service for the last few days like myself. |
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:::::Regardless of reasons/AlPaD's qualifications, I don't personally find that expedited closure with one vote and no consultation with other consuls reflects the 'community consensus' defined in the appointment criteria, but it's not my place to make that call - I simply wanted to raise it as a concern. |
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:[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], thank you for your question. The discussion was open for a week. If I had concerns about the nominee, I would not have closed and would have expressed a view. I did take care into ensuring it was compliant with the current [[TestWiki:Policies|policies]] and, in particular, in terms of precedents, I followed [[TestWiki:Community portal/Archive 2#Request for Consul by Zppix|this Consul request]], which Void closed as successful. As with this request, it, too, had only a single participant other than the nominee. Even in my close, I even borrowed and varied Void's wording. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 13:42, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for taking the time to reply, Doug. I would note that in the case you reference, the request was held open for the better part of 2.5 months before closure, though is otherwise essentially on-par. |
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::Testwiki's understandably an odd one since folks aren't (for the most part) daily users, hopefully we can come up with some better ways to get community engagement on consequential RfConsulships that reflect the intent of 'community consensus' going forward. |
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::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 14:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::1 week is not enough time. Please reopen the discussion and allow further commentary. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 17:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::While I am definitely involved here, I’d oppose a re-opening of the discussion. In my opinion, 1 week is enough time to comment. If you miss that, it’s on you. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 17:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::TestWiki is not a wiki where it's core community are always active. As far as I know, this wasn't advertised prominently. We can't always be checking every discussion page. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 18:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Still doesn’t excuse the fact you never discussed with other consuls before closing a discussion with so few participants. 1 person does not a consensus make. Zppix ([[:meta:User:Zppix|Meta]] | [[User talk:Zppix|talk to me]]) 17:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I don’t think a consul discussion has ever been required to close. If policy says different, please link said policy. In addition, 3 people (not one) supported. |
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:::#The candidate (@[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]]) |
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:::#The nominator (@[[User:Globe|Globe]]) |
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:::#The closer (@[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]) |
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:::[[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 18:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::The candidates opinion of themselves is irrelevant. I don't think it's a codified policy but we would strongly encourage it. It's quite frankly just good manners to ask the others if they had anything to raise. The existing consuls are not exactly a large group. I will make the point of order that this isn't the first request to have one of Doug's closes on this wiki overturned and he also was forced to resign Steward or be removed due to concerns around supervoting. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 18:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Various observations and requests on this wiki == |
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hi, i've been noticing that not all extensions are enabled and wiki forum is linked on the sidebar but the special page doesn't exist because the extension is disabled. |
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may i request all extensions to be enabled? how much this affects the wiki load? i've also noticed that [[Special:MathStatus]] is giving a timeout (503), can anything be done about that? [[User:Juest|Juest]] ([[User talk:Juest|talk]]) 16:37, 19 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== About Inactive Rights Removal == |
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Hi. May onwards, no one seems to be dealing with Inactive Rights Removal. I think consul needs to do this. Regards! [[User:1108-Kiju|1108-Kiju]] ([[User talk:1108-Kiju|talk]]) 17:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|1108-Kiju}} Hi, thank you for your report. For some reason the message is not being sent correctly to the talk pages of inactive users. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] Thanks for the ping. [[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 09:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::Oh... Is this some kind of bug? [[User:1108-Kiju|1108-Kiju]] ([[User talk:1108-Kiju|talk]]) 10:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::{{Ping|1108-Kiju}} Hi again and sorry for the late reply! The problem is not bug but I have fix it. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you! --[[User:1108-Kiju|1108-Kiju]] ([[User talk:1108-Kiju|talk]]) 05:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC) |
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==Inactive Rights Removal - {{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{#expr: {{CURRENTDAY}}+7}}== |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{#expr: {{CURRENTDAY}}+7}}''' if they do not return to activity: |
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*{{RFP/User|2NumForIce}} |
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*{{RFP/User|50829!}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Air Baloon}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Airtransat236}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Asutnima}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Blad}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Carpimaps}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Collei}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Didkkdkdkd}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Farmer Cars}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Galigonen}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Gifted9}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Globe}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Grandmaster Huon}} |
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*{{RFP/User|HeyTürkiye}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Hoof Hearted}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Hypercane}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Jaben1777}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Juest}} |
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*{{RFP/User|LisafBia}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Lolkikmoddi}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Mayfair}} |
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*{{RFP/User|MdsShakil}} |
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*{{RFP/User|NotAracham}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Ottone}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Sakura emad}} |
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*{{RFP/User|SummerShores}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Syunsyunminmin}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Tali64³}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Test User 20221229}} |
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*{{RFP/User|TestWikiUser}} |
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*{{RFP/User|The Pro Gamer 2}} |
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*{{RFP/User|TheLegendaryOrb}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Thingofme}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Trke}} |
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*{{RFP/User|UnGiglio}} |
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*{{RFP/User|WikiTester}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Winfinity}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Xacis70013}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Zippybonzo}} |
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*{{RFP/User|~rikzun}} |
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:((SIGNATURE}} |
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:[[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) |
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:For the Consul Team |
:For the Consul Team |
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:{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:13:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{Done|Rights removed from ten (10) users}}. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:* This type of inactive rights removal should be taken seriously, and the given notice must be properly formed. In the future, please double check before sending. -- [[User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]] ([[User talk:MdsShakil|talk]]) 09:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-07-29 == |
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:*:Hello and thank you for your reply, sorry for my mistake, I started new inactive rights removal. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-01-15 == |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2021-08-04''' if they do not return to activity: |
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* {{RFP/User|EpicPupper}} |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2024-01-15''' if they do not return to activity: |
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* <s>{{RFP/User|InspecterAbdel}}</s> now [[Special:Diff/38085|active]] |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Ameisenigel}}</s> |
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*{{RFP/User|Asutnima}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Carpimaps}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Collei}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Didkkdkdkd}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Farmer Cars}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Galigonen}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Gifted9}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Globe}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Grandmaster Huon}} |
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*{{RFP/User|HeyTürkiye}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Hoof Hearted}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Juest}} |
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*{{RFP/User|LisafBia}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Lolkikmoddi}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Mayfair}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|NotAracham}}</s> |
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*{{RFP/User|Ottone}} |
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*{{RFP/User|QuestionQues}} |
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*{{RFP/User|QuickQuokka}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Sakura emad}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Stevannus rua}} |
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*{{RFP/User|SummerShores}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Syunsyunminmin}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Tali64³}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Test User 20221229}} |
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*{{RFP/User|TestWikiUser}} |
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*{{RFP/User|The Pro Gamer 2}} |
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*{{RFP/User|TheBigRedZero}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|TheLegendaryOrb}}</s> |
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*{{RFP/User|Thingofme}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Trke}} |
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*{{RFP/User|UnGiglio}} |
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*{{RFP/User|User3854}} |
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*{{RFP/User|WikiTester}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Winfinity}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Xacis70013}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Zippybonzo}} |
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*{{RFP/User|~rikzun}} |
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:[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) |
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:For the Consul Team |
:For the Consul Team |
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:2024-01-8 |
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:02:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC) |
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*{{Done|Rights removed from 40 users}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 11:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Request add UploadWizard == |
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== Install Variables and Arrays extensions == |
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Hello. Sometime I want to upload multiple files. UploadWizard is very convenient for me. How about adding it on TestWiki and Miraheze? [[User:Hurohukidaikon|Hurohukidaikon]] ([[User talk:Hurohukidaikon|talk]]) 00:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello. |
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== Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-03-11 == |
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May [[mw:Extension:Variables|Variables]] and [[mw:Extension:Arrays|Arrays]] extensions be installed so that I test their behavior? |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2024-03-11''' if they do not return to activity: |
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Thanks in advance! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DarkPaladin125|DarkPaladin125]] ([[User talk:DarkPaladin125#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DarkPaladin125|contribs]]) 02:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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*{{RFP/User|Atom studying itself}} |
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*{{RFP/User|CutieePuppy12}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|ManOMan}}</s> <small> User resigned </small> |
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*{{RFP/User|Nexovia}} |
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*{{RFP/User|RedShip98}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Rich Flight22}} |
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*<s>{{RFP/User|Tanbiruzzaman}}</s> <small> User resigned </small> |
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*{{RFP/User|TerboGoodGame}} |
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Thanks, |
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:[[User:DarkPaladin125|DarkPaladin125]] Apologies for the slight delay in responding, but this is quite a reasonable request and has now been {{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/17825|done]]}}. Thank you. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) |
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::No problem regarding the delay. Thanks a lot. 😄 |
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:For the Consul Team |
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::[[User:DarkPaladin125|DarkPaladin125]] ([[User talk:DarkPaladin125|talk]]) 23:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:2024-03-4 |
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:::<span class="nowrap">[[File:Face-smile.svg|18px|link=]] '''Thank you'''</span> and no problem. :) [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::Rights removed from all except Atom studying itself and Nexovia who are also bureaucrats. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 13:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{Done|Rights removed from 2 bureaucrats}} {{Ping|Globe}} Thank you for your help and sorry for my late response. |
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== Various skins and extensions == |
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:[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 21:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Could you please enable the Cosmos skin and install [https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/HEAD/extensions/wikia/WallNotifications Message Walls] so that I could test replicating Fandom on Miraheze? Thank you! [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 10:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::No problem! [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 23:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Oauth install == |
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:Cosmos {{Done}}, Wikia extensions we can't do because Wikia use too far an old & forked version of MediaWiki. It's also not in its own git repo. Something like WikiForum might work. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 09:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::Cosmos was already available. You should be able to set it in your Preferences. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 09:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::Is it possible to just download that section of the repo, or do I have to download the entire repo? [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I think it's because [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]] is required to use message walls. We'd rather prefer ''not'' to enable SocialProfile here, as it's got issues with [[mw:Extension:GlobalUserPage|GlobalUserPage]], amongst other things. [[mh:meta:User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC) |
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CAN you install Oauth extension.Is for test my new bot for vikidia. |
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== [[TestWiki:Request permissions]] == |
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Thanks |
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[[User:Rafdodo|Rafdodo]] ([[User talk:Rafdodo|talk]]) 18:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:OAuth is under the purview of SRE and enabling an entirely new extension (from what I can tell, this seems to be a request for that) is not within purview of this wiki. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 02:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Request for comment (common sense page needed) == |
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:@[[User:Fffv7787|Fffv7787]] I think such those request should be closed immediately. I did not find much in the [[TestWiki:Testing policy#Requesting permissions|policy]] --[[User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]] ([[User talk:MdsShakil|talk]]) 14:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]] Thank you! [[User:Fffv7787|Fffv7787]] ([[User talk:Fffv7787|talk]]) 14:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Hello. {{U|Fffv7787}} and {{u|MdsShakil}}, no! Such requests should not be closed (declined) immediately. The best practice to deal with such requests is to ask which permissions they want and put the request on hold. If they didn't reply close the request as stale after the few days (preferable after 4-5 days). --[[User:Mazzaz|Mazzaz]] ([[User talk:Mazzaz|talk]]) 14:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:Mazzaz|Mazzaz]] Hello. I reopen this request. [[User:Fffv7787|Fffv7787]] ([[User talk:Fffv7787|talk]]) 15:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC) |
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This wiki need [[Project:Common sense]] page. |
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== Request for Consul: [[User:Magogre|Magogre]] == |
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About wikipedia have this page, wikipedia is unvisitable in China. [[User:Gongxiang01|Gongxiang01]] ([[User talk:Gongxiang01|talk]]) 04:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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{{userlinks|Magogre}}. |
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:There's absolutely no need for this page here. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 01:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, I am Magogre. I have been around since the past few months translating and assigning permissions to users at [[TestWiki:Request permissions]]. I would like to request the consul rights to help out in removing the rights of the inactive admins, thereby, helping to reduce the workload of the current consuls which are stewards or sysadmins. Thank you for considering, --[[User:Magogre|Magogre]] ([[User talk:Magogre|talk]]) 08:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::But rules have it. [[User:Gongxiang01|Gongxiang01]] ([[User talk:Gongxiang01|talk]]) 12:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Rules? [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 01:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== How do I delete pages (without requesting administrator) == |
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* {{support}}Very helpful and friendly user. [[User:Fffv7787|Fffv7️⃣7️⃣8️⃣7️⃣]] ([[User talk:Fffv7787|talk]]) 11:51, 10 September 2021 (UTC) |
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* {{Weak oppose}} - really you are a good contributor but I think you have needed little more experience for this role. Your [[Special:Diff/36830|1st edit]] in this wiki only 2 months ago --[[User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]] ([[User talk:MdsShakil|talk]]) 13:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC) |
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*:Thank you for expressing your opinion. The edit you are referring to, was made on 14 June and it has been 3 months since then. I know this may be an early case but keeping in view the work stewards and sysadmins regularly do on meta, phab and elsewhere, I can help help to perform the consul duties on this wiki to ease their work here. --[[User:Magogre|Magogre]] ([[User talk:Magogre|talk]]) 16:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC) |
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* {{support}} Friendly and helpful [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 05:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC) |
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* I oppose, there is certainly not any "strong workload" and I've never heard of you until this request. Also, the removal of inactive sysops is done once a month and partially automated. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 08:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC) |
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* {{Support}} I agree there is no strong workload but it never hurts to have more volunteers. I patrol TestWiki from the shadows and Mazzaz is incredibly helpful in fulfilling rights requests and not only that, he's helpful across Miraheze globally. Currently, though we have 6 consuls, none of them are active on TestWiki (understandable, most of them occupy global roles) and I believe the addition of Mazzaz would be beneficial to the local community. For this reason, I support this request. [[User:Agent Isai|Agent Isai]] ([[User talk:Agent Isai|talk]]) 04:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
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I'd like to test some things with images, which (I believe) doesn't require being an administrator. The policies say to delete pages after you're done ([[TestWiki:Main policy#Deleting and undeleting pages]], [[TestWiki:Testing policy#Editing and deleting pages]]), but trying to do so (e.g. on https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/File:Test.png?action=delete) says "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators." |
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==Inactive Rights Removal - 2021-10-7== |
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The rights of the following users will be removed on or after '''2021-10-7''' if they do not return to activity: |
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Do I have to request for admin before carrying out my tests (or, I suppose during or after if I get it fast enough), or is there a way to mark pages for deletion and/or delete pages independently without admin? |
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*{{RFP/User|50829X}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Ameisenigel}} |
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- [[User:BlankEclair|BlankEclair]] ([[User talk:BlankEclair|talk]]) 13:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Avengium}} |
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*{{RFP/User|HeartsDo}} |
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:@[[User:BlankEclair|BlankEclair]]: According to the permissions list, non-admin users cannot delete pages themselves. --'''''[[User:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">78Meow</span>]]''''' ('''[[User talk:78-Yellowcat|<span style="color:#ffd700">Talk</span>]]''') 10:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Heidenlarm}} |
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::So what should I do to clean up after myself? Do I need to request admin or is there somewhere I can go to to request deleting pages? [[User:BlankEclair|BlankEclair]] ([[User talk:BlankEclair|talk]]) 08:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Lily}} |
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:::[[TW:RfP]] [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Repolho123456}} |
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::::You can also simply add <code><nowiki>{{delete|reason}}</nowiki></code> to the page. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 17:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Rots62}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Scian}} |
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== Request for Consul: BrandonWM == |
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*{{RFP/User|SHEIKH}} |
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*{{RFP/User|Tomasulo}} |
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:The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. |
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*{{RFP/User|Vulpix037}} |
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::There are not many participants in this discussion, but also no one in opposition, either, and [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] has been a long-term, regular, always active, trusted contributor to '''Public Test Wiki''' and he has greatly improved his actions. Also BrandonWM is administrator on meta and global rollbacker, so closing as '''successful'''. Congratulations, and welcome to the [[TestWiki:Consuls|Consul]] team. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{RFP/User|Walhouse}} |
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*{{RFP/User|ロープTA}} |
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I'm requesting consul here on TestWiki. I've been a major contributor here over the past few months, keeping a tab open at all times to the comings and goings of the wiki. I'm familiar with all TestWiki policies and am capable of deploying them when necessary (and also when not to). This can be evidenced by my Meta sysop edits, which is not radically different from a moderation perspective than TestWiki consul. I'm not quick to be the first, I let logic guide my decisions, and when unsure, I seek a second (or third) perspective. |
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If elected consul, I'd also start developing plans for a partial overhaul of the wiki (with community input of course), to see how we can better shape the wiki for the wider Miraheze community, as the current format is quite little known and rarely used by more than a select few. Potentially, we streamline how we organize the wiki, and include it in more documentation pages on Meta as well to make it easier to test features. Additionally, I'd love to put forth an RfF on [[TestWiki:Inactivity|TestWiki:Inactivity policy]]. I'd want to take a particular look at the 3 months inactivity time period, and whether that is still appropriate for the wiki. |
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The above is just a few ideas I have in mind, but I'd love to be able to expand to more with the community. I welcome any questions or concerns and am more than happy to answer any set forth. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 13:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC) |
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=== Questions for candidate === |
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1.What do you think about [https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:Log?logid=26611| this action against you]? And as Agent Isai said {{tq|[...] was that you overreacted rather severely so of course, you are exhorted to keep a cool head and to not be so blunt when dealing with things[...]}},do you believe that your behaviour isn't same as it was before? [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 19:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Harvici}} Thank you for the question! Yes, absolutely. That incident occurred near a year and a half ago and I’ve absolutely learned from that mistake. Since then, I’ve become an administrator on Meta, Miraheze’s home wiki (equivalent to consul here), and have a good track record within the community. Those issues were present in the past, but have since not occurred, something I’m very glad about. TL;DR is yes, I fully believe those issues are behind me. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 21:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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2. Do you intend to assist with abuse filters that may require enabling restricted actions? [[User:Caimántriste|<b style="font-family:Verdana;color:#008000">''Caimántriste''</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Caimántriste|<b style="color:#355E3B;">talk</b>]]</sup> 02:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:I'm happy to assist with abuse filters where I can. My knowledge isn't the best with AF, but I have learned a lot since I was introduced to abuse filters and if requested, yes, I could give it a go and see what happens. Of course, I'd consult with fellow consuls first to ensure everything was in order, but as long as that's the case, I don't see why not. [[User:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] ([[User talk:BrandonWM|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/BrandonWM|contribs]]) 02:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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=== Discussion === |
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{{support| Strong support}} While going through the contributions of BrandonWM, it looked like he was a problematic user,but during an old conversation, I saw his reply to another user that said, '{{tq|[...] that is the standard set for all, and no one is above it.}} Hence, I certainly believe that he is capable of becoming a consul, and his behaviour isn't the same as it was.With the unexpected resignation of Agent Isai, I think he would be the best candidate. [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 01:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== SVG issue == |
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It seems the SVG features are disabled, because any SVG code I entered appear as plain text. I searched the site but only found [[SVG_test|a blank page]]. Could you enable SVG so I can run some tests? [[User:Spacing form|Spacing form]] ([[User talk:Spacing form|talk]]) 17:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Bump... Scrolling up this page, it seems requests of features often go unanswered. To clarify, there's no need to download any new extensions, because Midiawikki has built-in SVG support, as stated on "Manual:Image administration". Hope an admin sees this. [[User:Spacing form|Spacing form]] ([[User talk:Spacing form|talk]]) 17:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Enable CustomSubtitle == |
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I would like to test [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CustomSubtitle|Extension:CustomSubtitle]] on this wiki. [[User:BlankEclair|BlankEclair]] ([[User talk:BlankEclair|talk]]) 10:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== About DISPLAYTITLE == |
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Displaytitle is not working. [[User:Googologyer|Googologyer]] ([[User talk:Googologyer|talk]]) 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Applicable diff: [[Special:Diff/57499]] |
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:It didn't work because the text "Titled page", when removed of formatting, does not equal "Displaytitle test". This is indicated by the automatic category [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles|Pages with ignored display titles]]. This restriction can be removed if a consul unchecks $wgRestrictDisplayTitle in [[Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-parserfunctions]]. [[User:BlankEclair|BlankEclair]] ([[User talk:BlankEclair|talk]]) 03:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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==Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-07-25== |
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:{{Done|Rights removed from 31 users}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Hey sorry can you do that then? i think i will withdraw if we switch places. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 16:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Request for interface admin == |
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:::@[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 21:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello everyone! I recently created a script that I tested on my own MediaWiki and found it to work fine. You can see it here: [[User:BZPN/MassRollback.js]]. Now I would like to turn it into a gadget. However, to turn it into a gadget, I need interface admin permission. @[[user:BrandonWM|BrandonWM]] told me to fill out the request here, so can I ask the consul to grant it? I learned how to do this on my own wiki, so I guess I won't destroy anything :). I have already translated the script, and you can find its description here: [[User:BZPN/MassRollback]]. Have a nice day! [[User:BZPN|<span style="font-size:85%;color:#f00;border:2.5px solid red;border-radius:15px;"> <b>BZPN</b> </span>]] 06:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== CheckUser and Oversight == |
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Hello. I believe that the CheckUser permission should be granted on TestWiki. Miraheze stewards have the technical ability to grant it. Of course, this should be based on a community vote and the permission would not be for testing purposes. CheckUser could only be granted to combat possible vandalism and only to trusted users by voting. Miraheze could also enable the Oversight permission. It is true that it is more trusted, but what to do if someone, for example, shared their real phone number on TestWiki? You can create such requirements for these groups and minimize the risk. What do you think? [[User:BZPN|<span style="font-size:85%;color:#f00;border:2.5px solid red;border-radius:15px;"> <b>BZPN</b> </span>]] 10:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for raising this, @[[User:BZPN|BZPN]]. The idea of introducing CheckUser and Oversight permissions on TestWiki is certainly worth discussing. I understand the importance of having tools to address serious issues like vandalism or accidental sharing of private information. However, TestWiki is primarily a testing environment, and adding such high-level permissions could shift its focus. Typically, these permissions are reserved for wikis where the stakes are much higher, and the need for such tools is more pronounced.That being said, if there is enough community interest, we could consider a discussion or vote on this matter. It would be crucial to establish clear guidelines and strict criteria for who could be granted these permissions, ensuring they are used responsibly and only by trusted members.Looking forward to hearing what others think. [[User:Mediana|Mediana]] ([[User talk:Mediana|talk]]) 10:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Mediana|Mediana]], You may be right, but just because TestWiki is a testing environment doesn't eliminate the risk. Moreover, bureaucrats and administrators will still be the test groups, and enabling checkuser and oversight would only increase the involvement of constantly active and trusted users (e.g. consuls). [[User:BZPN|<span style="font-size:85%;color:#f00;border:2.5px solid red;border-radius:15px;"> <b>BZPN</b> </span>]] 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for your input, @[[User:BZPN|BZPN]]. I really appreciate your concern for the security of TestWiki, and you raise a valid point about the risks that still exist, even in a testing environment. Your suggestion to involve active and trusted users like consuls makes a lot of sense.Given the potential impact of enabling these permissions, I think it’s important to gather more feedback from the community. It would be great to hear how others feel about this idea before we move forward. If there’s strong support, we can definitely consider a more formal discussion or vote. Let’s see what the community has to say. [[User:Mediana|Mediana]] ([[User talk:Mediana|talk]]) 11:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:BZPN|BZPN]] And for a information I contacted one of Global Administrator of Meta Miraheze so this was his reply I would like to tell you that the thing you have proposed has very less chance to be accepted as that’s not really possible as having CU/OS requires a non disclosure agreement with the WikiTide Foundation, and policy for local CU says there must be at least two and it wouldn’t be given for testing. [[User:Mediana|Mediana]] ([[User talk:Mediana|talk]]) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I will summarize my concerns from our exchange on Discord; |
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:* Neither [[m:CheckUser]] or [[m:Oversight]] have demonstrated need to be assigned locally. This is a very high bar as you will see on the respective pages. I have actually never addressed a request for either of those on this wiki to date and this is consistent with a majority of wikis. |
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:* I empathize to the desire to remove PII as quickly as possible, but I am satisfied by the need for tight requirements over cutting that corner in response time. Local admins are empowered to use a temporary suppress until oversight arrives, which is still better than it being otherwise public and open to caching and scraping. Likewise it is rare that a circumstance appears for CU where having CU appear just a bit sooner significantly impacts the outcome. |
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:* Advanced access should never be used to 'jog up activity'. Please consider less sensitive methods to pursue this otherwise reasonable desire. |
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:For these reasons I firmly oppose this concept. |
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Requests for Comment[edit source]
Hi everyone. Due to the recent influx of Requests for Comment here on TestWiki, I have created a separate page for them at TestWiki:Requests for Comment. I have also moved two RfCs from here to there. You are all invited to comment on them, they are TestWiki:Requests for Comment/Proposals (proposed by Naleksuh) and TestWiki:Requests for Comment/Amending Consul policy (proposed by BrandonWM). Thank you! Agent Isai Talk to me! 07:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- First off, two is not an "influx". Second, you shouldn't have just started moving other people's comments without a discussion or at least a delay. Maybe I'll move your comment to Talk:Rollback test next? Naleksuh (talk)
- If it were on topic for the page and are more appropriate for there, yes, are they though? No. Agent Isai Talk to me! 16:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Improvements to Test Wiki[edit source]
Proposed new TestWiki logo (from above RfC discussion)[edit source]
The RfC for a new logo was recently closed with the rational: This does not really define what any such logo to replace the current logo would look like so unsuccessful. I personally liked the previous logo, but just thought it needed a little updating. Please voice your opinion on this logo that I have made. LC Developer (talk)
![](http://static.miraheze.org/testwiki/thumb/5/52/TestWikiProposedLogo.png/400px-TestWikiProposedLogo.png)
Voting:[edit source]
Support LC Developer (talk) 12:45, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Support --78Meow (Talk) 11:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Support JustaUsername (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Support Harvici (talk) 02:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Comments:[edit source]
Comment If anyone has any suggestions for how the logo can be improved,(minor changes, not fundamental design changes) please place them below. LC Developer (talk) 17:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Configure the text part like the original logo? Atom studying itself (talk) 10:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Inactive Rights Removal - 2023-03-20[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2023-03-27 if they do not return to activity, pursuant to the Inactivity policy:
1108-Kiju ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Active since then, per reply- 50829! ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Ahecht ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Artillect ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Aspallar ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Avengium ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Requested removal- CECBowlingGreen ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- DarkMatterMan4500 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Davidvia ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Erté ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Farmer Cars ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Kristiannumber1 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Lolkikmoddi ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- QueerEcofeminist ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
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- Rocielshinonome ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Sai10ukazuki ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Silicona ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Thingofme ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
ZI Jony ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )now active.- 沈澄心 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- 行雲流水 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
For the Consuls,
Agent Isai Talk to me! 05:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Request retention of rights. --1108-Kiju (talk) 06:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Done Agent Isai Talk to me! 13:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Can I begin removing the rights of inactive users? Or can you? LC Developer (talk) 23:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only consuls are permitted to as far as I am aware. BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 02:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Can I begin removing the rights of inactive users? Or can you? LC Developer (talk) 23:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- All users except 50829! and Thingofme, and those who are now active, have been removed. Agent Isai Talk to me! 16:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Please enable translation[edit source]
Please enable translation of TestWiki:Consuls.--1108-Kiju (talk) 06:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Here are the translation tags that might be expected. Syunsyunminmin (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Is it ok to upload a file in this wiki (for testing) and then deleting it or request deletion of it after testing?[edit source]
Hi. :) Is it ok to upload a file in this wiki (for testing) and then deleting it or request deletion of it after testing? Mat333o (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, there have been tests of file uploads before. Naleksuh (talk) 22:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response, but what if the file is copyrighted? The file that I want to upload for testing is the cover of a single. Mat333o (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Request for Consul[edit source]
Inactive Rights Removal - 2023-05-17[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2023-05-24 if they do not return to activity:
- Ahecht ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Alidonis ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Ameisenigel ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Blad ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Buehl106 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Dimpizzy ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Hoof Hearted ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )now active- Revival ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
SD hehua ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Tali64³ ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Ugochimobi ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- XtexChooser ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
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- Agent Isai Talk to me!
- For the Consul team,
- 16:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Striking Ameisenigel ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth ) as now active. Globe (talk) 17:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- I would like to keep my permissions, thanks. Blad (talk) 12:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Done. Globe (talk) 13:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, I would also like to retain my permissions. Is it possible to be made exempt from inactivity rules please? Regards, Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Done. By your act of replying, you are now active. Given your activity level, as well as your rationale, or lack thereof, I do not see a compelling need for an inactivity exception as you can just make one edit. Dmehus (talk) 18:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Kindly keep my perm. Thanks. Ugochimobi (talk) 09:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Done. Globe (talk) 11:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'd also like to keep my administrator permissions for now. Tali64³ (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Done. Globe (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'd also like to keep my administrator permissions for now. Tali64³ (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Rights removed from six (6) users. One by Agent Isai awhile ago; five by me today. Dmehus (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Closure of consul vote with no input...[edit source]
Hey @Dmehus, closure of a Consul election in just under a week with no input from anyone beyond the original nominator seems a bit... unorthodox. I only just happened to see the request today, in fact.
Admittedly I'm not the closest follower of testwiki history, but looking through archives I can't find any other example of comparably brisk/limited input handling for advanced rights aside from speedy closures due to unanimous opposition.
Is there a particular policy/precedent you're using in making this close?
NotAracham (talk) 06:05, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd also like to see the closure overturned. I don't believe other consuls were notified, there was no site notice, etc.
- I don't think a lack of response can be assumed consensus.
- I'm also not convinced had I had the opportunity to vote that I would have supported. RhinosF1 (talk) 06:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I too would like to see this overturned, this was a unilateral decision that was decided by a single person with no input from other consuls at all. Zppix (Meta | talk to me) 06:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello! I'd like to thank you all for your input, about closing I'd like to say that whether the proposal is reopened or not and whether I'm consul or not in the end I'll continue to help out on TestWiki and improve my flaws. Even if the closure of the proposal is not reverted, I would like to hear your opinion, even informally, on whether I should become a consul and what I should correct. AlPaD (talk) 07:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with @AlPaD that a more of informal approach should occur next. I’m not sure why all 3 of you are waiting till a few hours after closing to bring this up, when you should’ve voted originally. I’ve messaged @Dmehus on Discord informing him of this discussion. Globe (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- As mentioned, I literally just found out this existed yesterday when I came back into cell reception. It's a holiday weekend for many in the US, so several folks in the conversation may have been outside internet service for the last few days like myself.
- Regardless of reasons/AlPaD's qualifications, I don't personally find that expedited closure with one vote and no consultation with other consuls reflects the 'community consensus' defined in the appointment criteria, but it's not my place to make that call - I simply wanted to raise it as a concern.
- --NotAracham (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with @AlPaD that a more of informal approach should occur next. I’m not sure why all 3 of you are waiting till a few hours after closing to bring this up, when you should’ve voted originally. I’ve messaged @Dmehus on Discord informing him of this discussion. Globe (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello! I'd like to thank you all for your input, about closing I'd like to say that whether the proposal is reopened or not and whether I'm consul or not in the end I'll continue to help out on TestWiki and improve my flaws. Even if the closure of the proposal is not reverted, I would like to hear your opinion, even informally, on whether I should become a consul and what I should correct. AlPaD (talk) 07:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I too would like to see this overturned, this was a unilateral decision that was decided by a single person with no input from other consuls at all. Zppix (Meta | talk to me) 06:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- NotAracham, thank you for your question. The discussion was open for a week. If I had concerns about the nominee, I would not have closed and would have expressed a view. I did take care into ensuring it was compliant with the current policies and, in particular, in terms of precedents, I followed this Consul request, which Void closed as successful. As with this request, it, too, had only a single participant other than the nominee. Even in my close, I even borrowed and varied Void's wording. Dmehus (talk) 13:42, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the time to reply, Doug. I would note that in the case you reference, the request was held open for the better part of 2.5 months before closure, though is otherwise essentially on-par.
- Testwiki's understandably an odd one since folks aren't (for the most part) daily users, hopefully we can come up with some better ways to get community engagement on consequential RfConsulships that reflect the intent of 'community consensus' going forward.
- --NotAracham (talk) 14:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- 1 week is not enough time. Please reopen the discussion and allow further commentary. RhinosF1 (talk) 17:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- While I am definitely involved here, I’d oppose a re-opening of the discussion. In my opinion, 1 week is enough time to comment. If you miss that, it’s on you. Globe (talk) 17:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- TestWiki is not a wiki where it's core community are always active. As far as I know, this wasn't advertised prominently. We can't always be checking every discussion page. RhinosF1 (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- While I am definitely involved here, I’d oppose a re-opening of the discussion. In my opinion, 1 week is enough time to comment. If you miss that, it’s on you. Globe (talk) 17:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Still doesn’t excuse the fact you never discussed with other consuls before closing a discussion with so few participants. 1 person does not a consensus make. Zppix (Meta | talk to me) 17:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don’t think a consul discussion has ever been required to close. If policy says different, please link said policy. In addition, 3 people (not one) supported.
- Globe (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- The candidates opinion of themselves is irrelevant. I don't think it's a codified policy but we would strongly encourage it. It's quite frankly just good manners to ask the others if they had anything to raise. The existing consuls are not exactly a large group. I will make the point of order that this isn't the first request to have one of Doug's closes on this wiki overturned and he also was forced to resign Steward or be removed due to concerns around supervoting. RhinosF1 (talk) 18:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Various observations and requests on this wiki[edit source]
hi, i've been noticing that not all extensions are enabled and wiki forum is linked on the sidebar but the special page doesn't exist because the extension is disabled. may i request all extensions to be enabled? how much this affects the wiki load? i've also noticed that Special:MathStatus is giving a timeout (503), can anything be done about that? Juest (talk) 16:37, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
About Inactive Rights Removal[edit source]
Hi. May onwards, no one seems to be dealing with Inactive Rights Removal. I think consul needs to do this. Regards! 1108-Kiju (talk) 17:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- @1108-Kiju: Hi, thank you for your report. For some reason the message is not being sent correctly to the talk pages of inactive users. AlPaD (talk) 07:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- @AlPaD Thanks for the ping. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 09:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oh... Is this some kind of bug? 1108-Kiju (talk) 10:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- @1108-Kiju: Hi again and sorry for the late reply! The problem is not bug but I have fix it. AlPaD (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! --1108-Kiju (talk) 05:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @1108-Kiju: Hi again and sorry for the late reply! The problem is not bug but I have fix it. AlPaD (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-08-24[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2024-08-24 if they do not return to activity:
- 2NumForIce ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- 50829! ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Air Baloon ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Airtransat236 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Asutnima ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Blad ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Carpimaps ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Collei ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Didkkdkdkd ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Farmer Cars ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Galigonen ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Gifted9 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Globe ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Grandmaster Huon ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- HeyTürkiye ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Hoof Hearted ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Hypercane ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Jaben1777 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Juest ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- LisafBia ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Lolkikmoddi ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Mayfair ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- MdsShakil ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- NotAracham ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Ottone ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Sakura emad ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- SummerShores ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Syunsyunminmin ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Tali64³ ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Test User 20221229 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- TestWikiUser ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- The Pro Gamer 2 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- TheLegendaryOrb ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Thingofme ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Trke ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- UnGiglio ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- WikiTester ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Winfinity ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Xacis70013 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Zippybonzo ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- ~rikzun ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Thanks,
- ((SIGNATURE}}
- For the Consul Team
- 2024-08-17 AlPaD (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- This type of inactive rights removal should be taken seriously, and the given notice must be properly formed. In the future, please double check before sending. -- MdsShakil (talk) 09:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thank you for your reply, sorry for my mistake, I started new inactive rights removal. AlPaD (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- This type of inactive rights removal should be taken seriously, and the given notice must be properly formed. In the future, please double check before sending. -- MdsShakil (talk) 09:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-01-15[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2024-01-15 if they do not return to activity:
- 2NumForIce ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- 50829! ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Air Baloon ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Airtransat236 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Ameisenigel ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Asutnima ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Carpimaps ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Collei ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Didkkdkdkd ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Farmer Cars ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Galigonen ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Gifted9 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Globe ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Grandmaster Huon ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- HeyTürkiye ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Hoof Hearted ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Juest ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- LisafBia ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Lolkikmoddi ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Mayfair ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
NotAracham ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Ottone ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- QuestionQues ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- QuickQuokka ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Sakura emad ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Stevannus rua ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- SummerShores ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Syunsyunminmin ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Tali64³ ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Test User 20221229 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- TestWikiUser ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- The Pro Gamer 2 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- TheBigRedZero ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
TheLegendaryOrb ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Thingofme ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Trke ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- UnGiglio ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- User3854 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- WikiTester ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Winfinity ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Xacis70013 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Zippybonzo ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- ~rikzun ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Thanks,
Rights removed from 40 users AlPaD (talk) 11:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Request add UploadWizard[edit source]
Hello. Sometime I want to upload multiple files. UploadWizard is very convenient for me. How about adding it on TestWiki and Miraheze? Hurohukidaikon (talk) 00:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-03-11[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2024-03-11 if they do not return to activity:
- Atom studying itself ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- CutieePuppy12 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
ManOMan ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )User resigned- Nexovia ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- RedShip98 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Rich Flight22 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Tanbiruzzaman ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )User resigned- TerboGoodGame ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Thanks,
- AlPaD (talk)
- For the Consul Team
- 2024-03-4
- Rights removed from all except Atom studying itself and Nexovia who are also bureaucrats. Globe (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Rights removed from 2 bureaucrats @Globe: Thank you for your help and sorry for my late response.
- AlPaD (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- No problem! Globe (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Oauth install[edit source]
CAN you install Oauth extension.Is for test my new bot for vikidia. Thanks Rafdodo (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- OAuth is under the purview of SRE and enabling an entirely new extension (from what I can tell, this seems to be a request for that) is not within purview of this wiki. BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 02:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Request for comment (common sense page needed)[edit source]
This wiki need Project:Common sense page.
About wikipedia have this page, wikipedia is unvisitable in China. Gongxiang01 (talk) 04:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's absolutely no need for this page here. BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 01:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- But rules have it. Gongxiang01 (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rules? BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 01:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- But rules have it. Gongxiang01 (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
How do I delete pages (without requesting administrator)[edit source]
I'd like to test some things with images, which (I believe) doesn't require being an administrator. The policies say to delete pages after you're done (TestWiki:Main policy#Deleting and undeleting pages, TestWiki:Testing policy#Editing and deleting pages), but trying to do so (e.g. on https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/File:Test.png?action=delete) says "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators."
Do I have to request for admin before carrying out my tests (or, I suppose during or after if I get it fast enough), or is there a way to mark pages for deletion and/or delete pages independently without admin?
- BlankEclair (talk) 13:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @BlankEclair: According to the permissions list, non-admin users cannot delete pages themselves. --78Meow (Talk) 10:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- So what should I do to clean up after myself? Do I need to request admin or is there somewhere I can go to to request deleting pages? BlankEclair (talk) 08:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- TW:RfP BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can also simply add
{{delete|reason}}
to the page. Globe (talk) 17:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can also simply add
- TW:RfP BrandonWM (talk - contribs) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- So what should I do to clean up after myself? Do I need to request admin or is there somewhere I can go to to request deleting pages? BlankEclair (talk) 08:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Request for Consul: BrandonWM[edit source]
SVG issue[edit source]
It seems the SVG features are disabled, because any SVG code I entered appear as plain text. I searched the site but only found a blank page. Could you enable SVG so I can run some tests? Spacing form (talk) 17:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bump... Scrolling up this page, it seems requests of features often go unanswered. To clarify, there's no need to download any new extensions, because Midiawikki has built-in SVG support, as stated on "Manual:Image administration". Hope an admin sees this. Spacing form (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Enable CustomSubtitle[edit source]
I would like to test Extension:CustomSubtitle on this wiki. BlankEclair (talk) 10:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
About DISPLAYTITLE[edit source]
Displaytitle is not working. Googologyer (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Applicable diff: Special:Diff/57499
- It didn't work because the text "Titled page", when removed of formatting, does not equal "Displaytitle test". This is indicated by the automatic category Pages with ignored display titles. This restriction can be removed if a consul unchecks $wgRestrictDisplayTitle in Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-parserfunctions. BlankEclair (talk) 03:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Inactive Rights Removal - 2024-07-25[edit source]
The rights of the following users will be removed on or after 2024-07-25 if they do not return to activity:
- AgentBot ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- AirmanKitten203 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Blahma ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Brewster239 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- BZPN.bot ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
C1K98V ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Chirocca77 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- CutesyCoder ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Doug ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
EPIC ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )Excelsis ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Flordia hater ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Globe ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Hurohukidaikon ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Jaben1777 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Jalpes ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- JustaUsername ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Karol739 test ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Liao ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Liaochina ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Lolkikmoddi ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Matr1x-101 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- MdsShakil ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Mips H0L3 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- MrFCA ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Như Gây Mê ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Nobodythatyouknowloll ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- OrangeStar ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Pasamuel ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Pasmorade ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- PharyngealImplosive7 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Piscolla ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Rafdodo ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- SD hehua ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Smileboy ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )TenWhile6 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )- Test32429 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Thegodofbakedbeans ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Trinicle ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- V0lkanic ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
- Volcanooo456 ( talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights · CentralAuth )
Thanks,
- AlPaD (talk)
- For the Consul Team
- 2024-07-18
Rights removed from 31 users AlPaD (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Request for interface admin[edit source]
Hello everyone! I recently created a script that I tested on my own MediaWiki and found it to work fine. You can see it here: User:BZPN/MassRollback.js. Now I would like to turn it into a gadget. However, to turn it into a gadget, I need interface admin permission. @BrandonWM told me to fill out the request here, so can I ask the consul to grant it? I learned how to do this on my own wiki, so I guess I won't destroy anything :). I have already translated the script, and you can find its description here: User:BZPN/MassRollback. Have a nice day! BZPN 06:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
CheckUser and Oversight[edit source]
Hello. I believe that the CheckUser permission should be granted on TestWiki. Miraheze stewards have the technical ability to grant it. Of course, this should be based on a community vote and the permission would not be for testing purposes. CheckUser could only be granted to combat possible vandalism and only to trusted users by voting. Miraheze could also enable the Oversight permission. It is true that it is more trusted, but what to do if someone, for example, shared their real phone number on TestWiki? You can create such requirements for these groups and minimize the risk. What do you think? BZPN 10:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for raising this, @BZPN. The idea of introducing CheckUser and Oversight permissions on TestWiki is certainly worth discussing. I understand the importance of having tools to address serious issues like vandalism or accidental sharing of private information. However, TestWiki is primarily a testing environment, and adding such high-level permissions could shift its focus. Typically, these permissions are reserved for wikis where the stakes are much higher, and the need for such tools is more pronounced.That being said, if there is enough community interest, we could consider a discussion or vote on this matter. It would be crucial to establish clear guidelines and strict criteria for who could be granted these permissions, ensuring they are used responsibly and only by trusted members.Looking forward to hearing what others think. Mediana (talk) 10:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Mediana, You may be right, but just because TestWiki is a testing environment doesn't eliminate the risk. Moreover, bureaucrats and administrators will still be the test groups, and enabling checkuser and oversight would only increase the involvement of constantly active and trusted users (e.g. consuls). BZPN 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input, @BZPN. I really appreciate your concern for the security of TestWiki, and you raise a valid point about the risks that still exist, even in a testing environment. Your suggestion to involve active and trusted users like consuls makes a lot of sense.Given the potential impact of enabling these permissions, I think it’s important to gather more feedback from the community. It would be great to hear how others feel about this idea before we move forward. If there’s strong support, we can definitely consider a more formal discussion or vote. Let’s see what the community has to say. Mediana (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @BZPN And for a information I contacted one of Global Administrator of Meta Miraheze so this was his reply I would like to tell you that the thing you have proposed has very less chance to be accepted as that’s not really possible as having CU/OS requires a non disclosure agreement with the WikiTide Foundation, and policy for local CU says there must be at least two and it wouldn’t be given for testing. Mediana (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input, @BZPN. I really appreciate your concern for the security of TestWiki, and you raise a valid point about the risks that still exist, even in a testing environment. Your suggestion to involve active and trusted users like consuls makes a lot of sense.Given the potential impact of enabling these permissions, I think it’s important to gather more feedback from the community. It would be great to hear how others feel about this idea before we move forward. If there’s strong support, we can definitely consider a more formal discussion or vote. Let’s see what the community has to say. Mediana (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Mediana, You may be right, but just because TestWiki is a testing environment doesn't eliminate the risk. Moreover, bureaucrats and administrators will still be the test groups, and enabling checkuser and oversight would only increase the involvement of constantly active and trusted users (e.g. consuls). BZPN 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will summarize my concerns from our exchange on Discord;
- Neither m:CheckUser or m:Oversight have demonstrated need to be assigned locally. This is a very high bar as you will see on the respective pages. I have actually never addressed a request for either of those on this wiki to date and this is consistent with a majority of wikis.
- I empathize to the desire to remove PII as quickly as possible, but I am satisfied by the need for tight requirements over cutting that corner in response time. Local admins are empowered to use a temporary suppress until oversight arrives, which is still better than it being otherwise public and open to caching and scraping. Likewise it is rare that a circumstance appears for CU where having CU appear just a bit sooner significantly impacts the outcome.
- Advanced access should never be used to 'jog up activity'. Please consider less sensitive methods to pursue this otherwise reasonable desire.
- For these reasons I firmly oppose this concept.
- --raidarr (💬) 12:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)